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TLA  Three Letter Anacronym  but this is  a 2 Letter ...
(VC=VitaminC)

>so what is the current "right" recommendation?
(let me suggest the archives again.  Believe me or not,
I would much rather be a lurker.  I have over 100 posts, just doing my duty)

Well it's life so it's a bit squishy 

Since this treatment is to poison the virus it takes a largish dose

Fortunatly the bees seem to prefer VC laced feed
500 mg  plain VC tablets from drug store
(I'm up to ~900+tablets,  16 hives, 1.5 years, should be more)
Crush or dissolve into  minimum water, add to feed
Acute stage 3 times/week (you have to guess - is this hive 'sick', thinking of collapse?, have others?)
Chronic stage 2x month (after it is more of less under control - forever)
Dose varys with colony size, ~ 1 gm /average hive (4-5#bees?)
Overdose preferentially, an underdose will be ineffective
Into the brood area
I'm kind of making this up as I go along, seeing what the results are and adjusting
as best that I can.  What else can I do?  Retirement would be easier.

Since I am able to have an effect on ccd with this treatment
(WL-winter loss 1st year 84%, 2nd 73%, 3rd 60%, VC start 4th 0% 1Q lost, 5th none so far)
I am forced to the conclusion that ccd is largly viral,
the severity of it being dependant on co-factors
In this case severity = total time to collapse
There is a very small probability that this is all co-incidental, but I still see STR

>it's not for lack of effort.
The epidemlogical study of last year is the sort of work I'd like to see more of
If you had read it closely it was clear what ccd was NOT (if it was an accurate study)
The disection at the very begining was very helpful, made it clear that it was "real"
I have noted the common factor in the above and am appreciative

Even though ccd affects wild bees, in this case honeybees are likely the vector.
If they wish to save wild bees then you have to save honeybees, 
it's probably too late, too wide spread

There is still not "proof" that ccd is infective,
(except for Randy's work)
or a treatment for dead out combs 
or a description of symptoms other than my poor writings 
(I'm refering to rear leg movements)
or any other treatment suggested other than splitting and new comb
By now everyone knows to control all the diseases that we can test for
but this only seems to slow ccd, the collapse is only delayed

At least 5 people reading this have witnessed ccd
but perhaps have only been looking at the "forest"
Only 1 person has done a "ramp test", with the strangest result,
but I'll let him tell his own story (or not). (I know he reads bee-l)

What about the rest of you? (those with ccd experience)

dave

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