Paul Cherubini wrote:

>>Yes, but what, if any, harmful biological activity does
>>a 1,450 ppb insecticide residue in the nectaries have
>>after 6+ months exposure to an outdoor environment?

Stan Sandler wrote:

> I really don't understand what you are saying Paul.  That level of
> residue is toxic to bees.  I don't think anyone from Bayer would
> dispute that.  

Stan, it's a 6+ month old residue that may no longer have
lethal or sublethal insecticidal activity.  So I'd like to see
the Penn State researchers demostrate this highly aged 
1,450 ppb insecticide residue in the nectaries is capable 
of killing or harming pollinators in an actual real world field
situation (not in some artificial lab situation where captive
pollinators are forced to consume it). 

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.







None of their own research would seem to indicate
otherwise.  There might be some dispute over whether the LD50 is
20 ppb or 200 ppb.  But this is almost a magnitude greater.

Do you have to lose the hive immediately, as you might with
an organophospate poisoning.  Or might we have to look for
some more difficult to explain collapse syndrome.
Perhaps some synergistic relationship as with
the fungus and termites might be happening which would make
a commonly present thing like nosema more deadly.

It seems odd to me the way people keep bringing up the
"horrors" of going back to organophospate sprays.  Farmers
sprayed potatoes here regularly with them, and although
people near the fields were royally and vocally pissed off,
I had no problems with the bees.  It would of course be
different with a crop that the bees visited, but then isn't
the grower supposed to "not spray when bees are in the
crop"?  We might not have to go back there anyway, if
the chem companies could come up with shorter lived
neonicotinoids.   But instead they seem to be catering to
the grower:  "Season long control of your pests".(  or multi
year protection of your trees).

My opinion
Stan

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