Hi all,
 
 
 
 
Bees have been moved from Asia to Europe???
 
I doubt that:
 
Who did it? Bees are know to be used for at least 3.500 years in europ/
middle east. Even Americans read the bible: Didn't Moïse cross Sinaï?
Wasn't Israel known as the land of "honey  and milk"?
 
Why should bees not move through the continent? Don't forget that eurasia
is ONE BIG CONTINENT for millions of years... that the bees are on it for
very long time.... 
 
"Asian" bees are not more and not less that "the bee" adapted to local
conditions... exactly the same way as "africans" and "europeans" ones have...
 
What is amazing is that "african" and "asians" are different: they evolued
from the same "bee" in more or less sames conditions....  
 
The area where "european bees" live come in contact with both of them...
You can also call the european bee by a name as "the bee that resist
freeze".... My believe is that the feral bee in Kanchakta/
vladivostok/Mongolia,.... is the "european" one... And by the way : HAVING
CONTACT WITH VARROA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, THEY SHOULD HAVE A CLEANING
BEHAVIOUR AGAINST IT. ( correct? wrong?)
 
 
 
Bernard.
 
 
 
 At 16:06 1/12/97 GMT+0200, you wrote:
>>                                   Africanized bees can live in cavities of
>> just about any size, be they curbside
>>                              meter boxes, attics, even in empty flowerpots,
>> but they need to nest in the protection
>>                              of a cavity.
>
>And they can also live in non cavity areas and just build themselves
>a cover of propolis - the so called 'Krantz bee' the name given to
>african bees that build nests on ledges in cliffs is notorius for
>stinging power. African bees can quite easily nest in the open.
>
>>                              control agencies will handle calls about
>> swarms, and emergency personal are being
>>                              trained to deal with stinging incidents.
>> Private pest control companies will do the
>>                              actual removing of swarms.
>
>Some poeple will be getting very rich. Clever agencies!!
>
>
>>                                   Although they might seem like natives,
>> honeybees were taken from Asia to
>>                              Europe ages ago, and then to the Americas in
>> the mid 17th century.
>
>Sounds a bit wrong to me. Honeybees from asia were taken to europe in
>the period between the 70's to the late eighties and thus varroa was
>spread. Honeybees have been in europe for many hundreds of thousands
>of years, as they have been in africa.
>
>
>>                              discouraged, to increase pollination. "Bees
>> and people can coexist," he said.
>
>In Zimbabwe it is legal I believe to keep bees in Harare (their
>capital city). These bees are very definitely AHB's and will roast
>anybody who lifts a hive lid - but people adapt and keep bees. They
>work hives at dusk and dark and if bees sting some one it is a fact
>of life and you run away.  People adapt.
>
>>                                   Africanized bees: Defend up to half a
mile.
>>                                   TIME BEES TAKE TO ANGER
>>                                   European bees: 19 seconds
>>                                   Africanized bees: 3 seconds
>>                                   OTHER COMMON BEES
>
>
>And that depends a lot on how much honey they have and how hot it is.
>If they have a lot of honey, they may just give some one a few stings
>for being near bye to move you away. Hence people that farm with
>scut's will often try to rob the bees regularily.
>
>Just thought I would correct those few mistakes in the original text.
>
>Keep well
>
>Garth
>
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>
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>
>Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way
>reflect those of Rhodes University.
>
>
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