jf: The membership of the panel was carefully-designed
jf: to assure that pesticide use would not face any
jf: additional enforcement or restrictions beyond the lax
jf: enforcement for which NY is known.
cl: Looking from the other side James, (just for thought)
cl: who do you think you are?
Knight and Quezergue (1970) addressed that question succinctly in their
oft-cited work.
http://youtu.be/iB9h25FeZbE
But me? I am a NY resident, one who pays a truly massive tax bill to the
state.
You aren't, so who are YOU to insert yourself into a purely local matter and
pass judgement? :)
I call shots like this, and sit and wait a few years for everyone else to
catch up. I coined the phrase "Pollinator Protection Racket" years ago,
long before beekeepers as a group realized that they were being taken for a
ride by some of the fund-raising machines. I have been hanging out at the
intersection of bees, science, and politics for a long time, because the
train wrecks are so spectacular.
I helped to make certain that the governor of NY would pull the funding plug
on the bogus "mandatory registration" and associated nonsense, and if more
talk of it continues, the next step will be to remove the position of State
Apiarist from the cesspool of deceit that is "Ag and Markets", and move it
over to somewhere else, like the SUNY school of Ag. Opera season has
started, and one can do a lot of business during intermissions.
If it matters, I've been hanging out here on Bee-L longer than just about
anyone else. I was a Bee-L reader since it was distributed on bitnet, via
uucp, over 300 baud modems. I've seen a lot of this same stuff happen over
and over again. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to attend
summer school.
cl: Here we have a bunch of bug freaks, trying to
cl: control what real landowners and others with
cl: a vested interest do own their own lands, the
cl: ones they bought and paid for and pay taxes on.
Is it unreasonable to expect that NY enforce, and that everyone obey FIFRA
regulations, which are the law of the land, including all land one "buys,
pays for, and pays taxes on". When I say "enforce the law", I mean AS
WRITTEN, rather than trying to implement a local variant set of customs
where the beekeeper is liable for moving his bees at the drop of a hat to
avoid spraying that is by definition violating FIFRA, as the only way hives
would be affected would be if the pesticide/herbicide/fungicide was allowed
to drift, as letting sprays drift is illegal.
cl: Feel free at any time to buy an area
cl: of land and ensure a buffer around
cl: your bugs......
Here's a news flash - bees FLY. :)
But regardless, feel free to start following the law, and keeping the poison
you spray OFF the adjacent land being rented at fair-market rates from a
willing landlord who has promised to use no poisons.
> some of them Like Jim Doan are from out
> of the state or out of the area and don't
> pay any local taxes???
Do Bayer and Syngenta pay any NY taxes?
Here's Bayer's tax-evasion strategy:
http://www.cbgnetwork.org/5963.html
...and look who's buying Syngenta! Why it's Monsanto! It's a tax inversion
play, quick now, before congress outlaws the ploy!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-08/monsanto-pursues-500-milli
on-u-s-tax-cut-with-syngenta-deal
http://tinyurl.com/q9yfzxk
> beekeepers are a tiny group, with very little real economic or valuable
input
We could fix that, but it would take a level of solidarity that is actively
undercut by growers, who pit one beekeeper against the other in a race to
the bottom of price, hive strength, and reliability. The actual fair value
of pollination is only being paid by almond growers, as they have a harder
time pitting one beekeeper against another, as they need all the hives they
can get, and more next year, every year.
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