>
> I am not bringing mammalian toxicity into this...you and then Randy did,
> by claiming that there were "different responses" and I'm telling
> you...that's not true!
>

But....

>
> The acute oral LD50 values (mg/kg) for rats range from 50–60 for nicotine
> to > 5000 for clothianidin. (Tomizawa and Casida, 2005)"
>

So it all depends on how "different response"  is interpreted. However, to
say that the insect and mammalian response is equivalent misses the point
that they actually are not by a factor of 100!

That was the main point of the discussion, hence the response is
"different" unless a difference of 100x is within the 95% confidence
interval.

Bill Truesdell
Bath, Maine

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