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<are you saying this because you think the symptoms are similar  (symptoms 
is how CCD is currently defined>
 
I've seen both the collapses in the 70s, and again those starting in  2006. 
 Symptoms (technically with insects we're supposed to call them  signs) 
were more or less identical in the 70s to those of the 2000s.
 
Turn of century reports, events which I did not see, I'm not that  old, the 
texts refer to a similar disorder, but much more localized.   It was 
sometimes called disappearing  disease (Note, in the old Hive  and the Honey Bee 
the DD term was used to define  a disorder  that disappeared before the cause 
could be identified).  In the  70s, the term Disappearing Disease was used 
in the context of bees  disappearing.
 
Wilson thought it was a genetic defect, introduced from AFB sperm.   Now 
days, we know that some viruses can be transferred via sperm.   Therefore, a 
new virus or viruses could have been introduced via the  sperm.  The spread 
in terms of number of states reporting, etc. in the 70s  paralleled that of 
more recent events.  The important thing was that the  signs were nearly 
identical, the distribution widespread, and Bill could trace a  common lineage.  
In our work since 2006, we can not trace a common genetic  lineage, but we 
can trace the disorder from bee operations that share equipment,  etc.
 
Both the 1970s and 2006+ events were blamed on everything anyone could  
image, although due to the Cold War, in the 70s nuclear radiation was a  
suspect, in the 2000s, cell phones were blamed.  As occurs now,  there were those 
researcher and beekeepers who were sure it was pesticides,  and BIll's team 
was able to induce a winter decline with low level  pesticides.
 
I'm still convinced its contagious.  Other stress factors such as  
nutrition, cool wet weather,  possibly even agri-chemicals may act as  triggers.
 
My guess is that Nosema ceranae, Kashmir virus, and the IIV all came to us  
as a group from Apis ceranae.  Camazine found the first Kashmir in a sample 
 of IIV from the asian bee, and he found IIV in varroa in hives from a 
major  collapse in the NE of the USA in the 90s.  Latest I've heard, Nosema  
ceranae has now been shown to be in the NE states as far back as the 80s, maybe 
 even longer.
 
Jerry
 

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