Hi to all on BEE-L

It was very good that Robert Mann posted reserch material
with reference to Mark Goodwin and site given was excellent
to read through.

However, I have a question: What is meant by kills most
strains of B. larvae? Here strains being plural and noted
as such and not singular. What are different strains of B.
larvae?

Also, since cross posted from biobee with comments added by
Peter and now Robert adding information from Mark Goodwin,
I would like to now, with permission post this reply on
biobee from Pav in NZ and ask the question:

If knowingly is everything and I think beekeepers need to
know, and it is not being looked for, then what have you
got really? A need to not knowingly know? and why?
Especially if the para-foul is the resistant one!

You get a spider bite on your arm and then your arm starts
to rot the flesh, the bite is small from the spider bite,
but the after effects of something else can kill or damage
you! If other strains of ??? have to be there as
presumptive evidence that something exists, then shouln't
all information be given as to what it is?

Here is the post Pav did and why I now ask the above and I
want to say now I highly respect Robert Mann and what
contacts I have had with him both in public discussion and
private.


Subj:    Re: [BioBee] Para - Foul brood
Date:   8/26/02 9:15:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:   [log in to unmask] (Pav)
Reply-to:       [log in to unmask]
To:     [log in to unmask] (BioBee)

Hi Folk

A few days ago when we were discussing parafoul brood and
getting all confused i sent a post to the NZ
beekeepers list:

>...Do we have B. alvei or any of the others in NZ,
[A. eurydice, B. alvei and B. laterosporus]
>and if not, what exactly is causing PMS here (not
viruses)?...

Soon after, i got a reply from Paul Bolger of our Ministry
of Agriculture and Fisheries, which i've been
sitting on in anticipation of further replies and ongoing
discussion.  Dreaming!

So without further ado, this was it:

>From: "Paul Bolger" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: biobee discussion

>...Bacillus alvei was caught up in the general
re-classification that saw
>AFB renamed a couple of years ago. Now boasts the title
Paenibacillus
>alvei.
>
>Almost always found in association with M pluton (EFB).
Definitely
>present in Australia, but not identified in WA [Western
Oz].
>
>Not recognised as being in NZ, but we haven't really
looked for it.
>...
>Paul Bolger
>MAF Biosecurity Authority
>Ph  (04) 474 4144
>Fax (04) 474 4133
>PO Box 2526
>Wellington
>New Zealand

FWIW

-Pav



Respectfully submitted,

Dee A. Lusby


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