>A key point that is frequently left out of these discussions is: all the thousands of folks out there who went "no treatment", lost
>the bees, and gave up. They don't write, they don't call, they just fall off the map.

I sold about 100 nucs this year. Explained that, although the queens were out of resistant lines [Harbo, Glenn] they should treat in August. I've received several calls about how the hives are crashing, after very good summers. When I ask what they treated with there is a silence and then admission that they didn't treat. Most say they didn't want to put "that stuff" in their hives. Most are on the waiting list for more bees, but I'm sure many have just given up. I know that I still can't keep bees alive without treating and sometimes - even with treating.

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