I appreciate Dean's comments and tendency to add balance and a contrary 
view to these discussions and willingness to read and research long 
dreary, detailed articles.

Frankly, given Randy's disclaimer, the subsequent discussion and my lack 
of time and interest, I had only taken a glance.

This line in the abstract struck me as a bit over the top: "Consequences 
are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, 
which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart 
disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s 
disease." AFAIK, these diseases have been around far longer than Roundup.

Then we encounter this line from the body of the study, " As a 
consequence, measurement of its presence in food is practically 
nonexistent.", we wonder further and some of us (me) stop reading

Persevering, however pays off. It gets mope plausible.

On the whole, the paper seems -- on superficial reading -- to be well 
researched, reasonable and plausible to me.

"Well researched, reasonable and plausible" is not the same as fact. The 
paper seems highly speculative and does not pretend to be otherwise.

It seems the references, which I did not investigate, are to lab work 
and as we have debated here at length, perhaps what is seen in the lab 
may not manifest itself in the outside world in any obvious manner due 
to buffering effects of the environment, dilution and other unknown factors.

All in all, I appreciate that people are thinking about these things and 
even though the details are over my head and outside my interest area, 
if there is anything to this, I'm sure we'll see more in future.

As it happens, we are seeing decreased vitality in our bees and are 
unable to pinpoint a cause. At one time I said that if there was a 
continent-wide change in motor fuel additives that affected the bees, 
we'd never make the association. Roundup is ubiquitous and the use has 
been escalating in recent decades, and during that time we have seen 
changes in bee survival. Of course this is a coincidence, and 
coincidence and cause are not the same, however coincidences always 
merit close investigation.

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