BEE-L Archives

Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology

BEE-L@COMMUNITY.LSOFT.COM

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Bob Harrison <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:24:45 -0500
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (70 lines)
>A statement was made "Show us some research showing that the
> neonicotinods do not cause sub lethal
> effects (such as reported in France and Italy) and I will be quiet."

Proving a negative?
In Italy the research testing sub lethal effects was straight forward.  Each 
level of expose caused certain problems in the bees. Sub lethal testing is 
not rocket science.

Lloyd,
I know far more about the issue than I put on BEE-L. My article in ABJ 
brought letters from beeks all over the world plus the U.S.. My email 
address in the magazine was not correct so I even had many phone. Dadant 
forwarded me emails!

I have had crackpots contact me and chemical companies trying to act like 
beekeepers.

Never a response from the other articles like the article on the 
neonicotinoids. Like David Hackenberg and CCD I have been pushed to the 
front of the fight of beeks against the neonicotinoids.

The leadership of both organizations are convinced after looking into the 
neonicotinoids that they are causing problems through sub lethal effects. 
Hence the first program to get funding was the grant for testing the sub 
lethal effects of imidacloprid on honey bees ( paid for by Hagen das grant 
and I believe Mary Ann is doing the research).

research in Italy showed serious sub lethal effects from imidacloprid on 
bees. The bees could not find their way back to the hive. Hello!

I approached Bayer about funding sub lethal testing of imidacloprid on bees 
but the company declined.
The national organizations tried!

forty grand to Penn State to settle the issue seemed like chump change but 
the company declined. Beeks in France and Germany asked their Bayer reps to 
pop for the study. Declined.

So now the study is coming. A company rep said off the record that they 
would denounce findings that sub lethal effects hurt bees on the grounds the 
study was funded by beekeepers and the researchers were biased.

Why do you think Bill, LLoyd, Peter, Jim and the other beek the company does 
not want to see such a study?

Wake up people.

We have been down this road with tobacco and hundreds of products.

All the beekeepers in the U.S. are asking for is some label changes. Bayer 
will not even sit down with us and talk. Printed company positions have been 
sent to both groups.

In Europe they realize talking will not solve the issue so they are pushing 
for  bans.

I respect everyone's opinion but you need to keep an open mind. Do not 
confuse neonicotinoid issues with CCD .

Off label use of temik ( Bayer) is killing many many hives in Orange in 
Florida. The situation is very serious to those beeks.

bob 

****************************************************
* General Information About BEE-L is available at: *
* http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm   *
****************************************************

ATOM RSS1 RSS2