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and something at end about nosema

This is perhaps overdue
#7 was  ~nov7, chilled
That's 25% winterkill before mid nov, have to call it "fall kill"
And yes, I know VD control was semi failure
Its the other symptoms/observations that make it unusual
I'll think I've won if I have only 50% winterkill
I won't win

#7 was both PPB and ccd, about equal, d ~Nov7
For some reason in jun I thought that one would crash
But then it got heavy and I forgot
I looked after supers, spotty brood, and forgot twice
The Q probably died mid-late aug, only 6 cells, only 2 good
It looked like 1 emerged, but if there was a virgin
she failed her role
(If you try to raise a Q in a ccd hive, you won't get a Q, you must be 
insane!)

Robbed out, 2 small (frozen) clusters 8" apart
One tennis ball, other smaller
No dead brood, avg on BB

When I floundered in, dec 21 (1' snow, 200 yd)
I went to this (7) to get sample, I knew it would
be easy to get the handful
Few snow angels around hives. No new (hive) mortality
 
On the way out, I paused on the upslope, panting,
and said look that lump is a bee under a thin white shroud
and more, 5 ahead , and farther 5 more, and behind 5 and another 5 farther
So that's 20 on only that path.  If the hour(s) was to spare I
could have picked up at least 500 corpses
from the snow, up to 5d old by guess. Typical "flee"
That they were all good flyers (no snow angels)
suggests older bees, aug-sept?, perhaps 100-110d
before intolerable?? gut pain??
or is it the smell?

but this is just symptoms, not anything curative

I don't know how to pick to breed from, nearly every choice
that I have made has died
The only selection that I can conceive is 
strongest in Spring, imply least affected life span or lucky

Because of this, next yr I will (hopefully) induce
supercedure by very heavy one sided wing clipping
Young Qs is easier management than Zero VD
(ccd Qs don't seem to live much more that 2 yrs)
I'm going to have to feed OA, I don't like the idea

You can't tell these hives are alive by any noise they make
because they make none, You have to pull (3/4") plug & see
NO noise

Ozone. Did someone Randy? try O3   on nosema? 
What is the equipment? Cost?
Question:(O3 vrs UV vrs bleach)  vrs  cost-benefit

In my little campaign against ccd I've only got it in
me for 5 years. I don't think I'm gonna win

PS Today, jan10 I got back 4th nosema test
BP says both samples are "negative"
(as were 3 previous tests)
I asked "only test for nosema"
One of these was a ccd hive for sure

dave

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