Bob said:
There are people high in beekeeping and research which do believe the?
neonicotinoid ban in France improved bee health.
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I'm sure that there are.? There are also beekeepers 'high' in the French beekeeping Association who came to the U.S. to learn more about bee losses, who sought us out, and who say just the opposite - that the ban didn't do anything to improve bee health. They are now looking for a pathogenic or environmental cause.
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Just as in the U.S., you have beekeepers and researchers who view the neonicotinics as the root of all evil :), and those who don't agree.? Just because someone voices their opinion on a documentary doesn't make it so.? We all have our own opinions, based on our own experiences, emotions, biases.? Most of us, even the scientists, find it hard to limit ourselves to just the hard data; stay completely objective.
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Personally, any new pesticide is likely to have unexpected effects, and testing for sublethal effects has been poor to non-existent.? That said, I'm still on the fence on this one.? Used properly (e.g., seed treatment) these newer pesticides (which have been around since the mid-1990s)?may pose less risk to bees than the older, more toxic chemicals.
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Used improperly (e.g., foliar spray from airplanes) and I'm convinced you will see a problem.
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Overall, we need to do a better job testing.? Just don't have the data needed in many cases.
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Jerry
J.J. Bromenshenk
Bee Alert
Missoula, Mt
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Harrison <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:07 am
Subject: Re: [BEE-L] New British Imid Study
Hello All,?
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There are people high in beekeeping and research which do believe the?
neonicotinoid ban in France improved bee health. When the documentary "The?
Vanishing Bees" is released you will here from these beekeepers and?
researchers.?
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That said *if* the neonicotinoids have no role in bee problems then what IS?
killing the bees??
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Winter as is put forth in the U.K. or in Canada??
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Really??
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I do not buy the winter BS. Never did. A properly prepared hive can take the?
most severe winter in either place.?
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Is PPB the problem??
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I always hear the problem is varroa controls are failing.?
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Really??
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I would rather say many beekeepers are failing to control varroa! Formic and thymol?
work if applied correctly and at the right time. Hell even sugar dusting?
will work if done often enough.?
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The news media might buy the BS but most of the professional beeks do not!?
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As my friend George Imirie always said there are beekeepers and bee havers.?
Bee Havers ( most commercial beeks call these commercial people "box?
movers") are even in the commercial circles. Mostly people which think they?
are going to get rich in the commercial beekeeping when the price of honey?
climbs to record levels ( right now) and almond pollination fees are high?
( right now). Jump in without even the basic education on honey bee?
husbandry. I had two of these people approach me this week.?
Both buying equipment and putting together as fast as they can.?
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Many new wanna bee commercial beeks are surprised to find there is not a?
single book on how to be a successful commercial beekeeper. Almost all?
*successful* outfits can be traced back to several generations of?
beekeepers. Trial & error and learning from past mistakes over decades.?
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Allen Dick website has the most information on the subject on the web (?
although now a bit dated). A website I picked up many pointers from. I have?
shared enough secrets a novice could be successful *if* he/she went back and?
read the thousands of post I have done ( Last time I checked I think over?
7000).?
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The number of commercial beekeeper continue to dwindle each year. I predict?
in 20 years *if* commercial beekeeping is still around in the U.S. most?
commercial beekeepers will be Hispanic.?
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The Hispanic people are the people willing to do the jobs feeding?
America today's generation of Americans seem unwilling to do. Such as picking?
and growing our vegetables and fruit. A higher number moving into commercial beekeeping each year.?
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An inconvenient truth in America:?
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If we stop the Hispanics from coming in looking for a better life then who are we going to get to do the everyday work our kids refuse to do??
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In beekeeping my path has crossed many Hispanic workers paths. Hard working people only wanting to make a life doing the jobs the current generation refuses to do!?
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If the middle class continues to disappear many people will end up working jobs they never thought they would to provide a family income. Plenty of work in the fields but the best jobs are going overseas.?
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rent of rant.?
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bob?
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