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> This is wrong.  Natural foods don't contain all the nutrients in 
> sufficient quantities we need to maintain wellness.  Good luck in 
> finding carnosine in a plant food!  According to quality studies, 
> supplementation is needed.  If you ever notice, strict 
> vegetarians who don't supplement age quite quickly. 
>   

I checked out "carnosine" and find it is pushed rather strongly as a 
longevity supplement by the natural foods group. I found many "trials" 
of it but mostly from organizations I have never heard of.

There is a trial published in the NIH records that discounts any tie of 
it to longevity.

I am astounded by the statement
> Natural foods don't contain all the nutrients in 
> sufficient quantities we need to maintain wellness.
Meat is the source of carnosine. Meat is natural, hence the statement 
makes no sense. Last I looked humankind is still hunter-gatherer.

We are going far afield, so I will not answer any further posts unless 
beekeeping related.

> It seems to me that the stinging triggered something in the body that 
> allowed it to help itself.  Without chemo or radiation.  
I would like that to be true, but it is not. If I had pushed this on 
others as a "natural" cure, I would be irresponsible. Any decent 
scientist would recognize it as anecdotal.

I spoke of this a few years ago, that all spokespersons for natural 
cancer cures have had cancer and survived, so it obviously works, since 
they are standing in front of us and selling whatever natural food they 
distribute. The whole industry is anecdotal since it was moved away from 
the FDA by the natural food industry. You need no science to sell snake oil.

The problem with those who tout their cure from cancer, and what most 
fail to grasp, is that the dead cannot refute the living. You can speak 
of your failures as a beekeeper, but you cannot when you fail to cure 
your cancer. You are dead and that spokesperson is still alive enjoying 
your money. So you will not find anyone who can speak to you about the 
fact that the cure does not work, since there are only the living to 
speak to.

Science has to record its failures and publish them. There the dead do 
speak. Not so in the natural foods world.

Bill Truesdell
Bath, Maine

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