After Anita pointed out that this saying was a proverb recorded by
Franklin, I thought I would check the web and see what I could turn
up. I did not find any lyrics to a song or even a poem, but I did
find some references to the origin of the proverb. If anyone has any
leads on the lyrics or poem, I am still looking.
The search results:
Ancae¹os was the helmsman of the ship Argo, after the death of
Ti¹phys. He was told by a slave that he would never live to taste the
wine of his vineyards. When a bottle made from his own grapes was set
before him, he sent for the slave to laugh at his prognostications;
but the slave made answer, ³There¹s many a slip ¹twixt the cup and the
lip.² At this instant a messenger came in, and told Ancaeos that a
wild boar was laying his vineyard waste, whereupon he set down his
cup, went out against the boar, and was killed in the encounter."
E. Cobham Brewer 18101897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
<http://www.bartleby.com/81/692.html>
and then
A famous Greek story and myth is told to explain the origin of There's
many a slip 'twixt cup and lip: a slave whom his master had treated
with great cruelty prophesied that the master should never live to
drink wine from the vineyard in which he was working. When the wine
was ready, the master taunted the slave and forced him to hold the
cup. But before the cup was tasted word came that a boar was laying
waste the vineyard; the master hastened to kill the boar and was
killed in the encounter. Hence the Greek proverb, Many things find
place between the cup and lip. Since this story is none other than the
widely told tale of Attis, (See Taylor, "The Death of Orvar Oddr,"
Modern Philology, XIX (1921), 93-106). it is altogether probable that
the story originally had nothing to do with the proverb, but was
linked with it by some chance.
TAYLOR, ARCHER 1996 "THE ORIGINS OF THE PROVERB" _DE PROVERBIO: An
Electronic Journal of International Proverb Studies_ 2(1). UNIVERSITY
OF TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA
ISSN 1323-4633 <URL: http://info.utas.edu.au/docs/flonta/>
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University of Nevada, Reno
Dissertation Fellow
Archaeometry Division
Missouri Universities Research Reactor
601 South Providence Road #601F
Columbia, Mo 65201
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>From: Anita Cohen-Williams <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Pottery and Obscure Folklore...
>Date: Sun, Feb 4, 2001, 8:38 PM
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>The original quote is from an English proverb. Benjamin Franklin repeats
>the quote in Poor Richard's Almanac.
>
>At 07:45 PM 2/4/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>"[Potter Hansen of Hyrum, Utah,] liked to sing, and was sometimes
>>heard singing about the yard as he worked. One song he sang was
>>'There's many a slip, twixt the cup and the lip'" (Nielsen 1963:
>>88-89).
>>
>>James J. Hansen was from Denmark (b. 1844) and immigrated to Utah in
>>1856 when he was 12 years old. I don't know if this song is from
>>Denmark, the potteries district of England, traditional American, or
>>perhaps unique to Utah or even an original by Hansen himself.
>>
>>Anybody have thoughts as to where I might find more information?
>>
>>Also, as promised, I will post a summary of my last pottery question,
>>but I am still contacting some of the recommended references.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Tim
>>
>>Works Cited:
>>Nielsen, Emma Cynthia
>>1963 The Development of Pioneer Pottery in Utah. M.A. Thesis,
>>Department of Art, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah.
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>>Timothy Scarlett
>>University of Nevada, Reno
>>
>>Dissertation Fellow
>>Archaeometry Division
>>Missouri Universities Research Reactor
>>601 South Providence Road #601F
>>Columbia, Mo 65201
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>>Hold on a moment.
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>>I don't have an employer.
>>
>>Never mind.
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