David Stewart wrote:

>Mikael Rasmusson wrote:
>
>>Boring? I think that the original is much better than the copy (Brahms S1,
>>last movement).
>
>It is NO copy.  It is nothing like it harmonically OR melodically, just
>because it is in roughly the same place and at the same tempo, does NOT
>mean it is a copy.  It may not have the same impact but it is not supposed
>to.

The overall hymnlike nature of both aside, there is one spot in the Ode
to Joy theme that Brahms borrowed and used differently.  It's the 11th
measure.  It seems to have been a conscious borrowing.

As to the measure of Beethoven in question, when someone pointed out to
Brahms what he had done he supposedly said "Hmph.  Any fool can see that."

Chris Bonds