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Stefan Stangaciu <[log in to unmask]>
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>Each beekeeper have to check how the varroa is rensponsing
on the
>treatment. No one  knows if your own bees are becoming
resistant for
>instance to Apistan. No one can or will do the homework for
you.
>It's rather simple to do. Perhaps beekeepers should change
the
>'formula' each second year and try to push the resistance
into the
>future.
 
 
 
       Hi there,
 
    Yes, here you are right my friend.
    Changing the treatment formula is the best method to
choose, even several times a year and not every second year,
as you suggest above.
 
    In human medicine, in the treatment of a bacterial or
parasitic disease, it is made what is called an
"antibiogram" or "antiparasitogram". These lab tests will
tell doctors if a certain bug is or not resistant to a
certain drug.
 
    Are beekeepers in your area doing this kind of test
ALWAYS, BEFORE they do their chemical treatments?
 
    In human medicine, doing or not this tests may give the
difference between life and death...
 
    In beekeeping is mostly the same as in human medicine.
It is an already well established fact that there are
increasingly MORE varroa and/or different bacteria resistant
to the classical treatments.
 
    So, it is a MUST my friend to learn and apply
alternative methods, even if at the beginning these
alternatives will be also pure chemical ones.
 
    I agree that it is not wise to throw away Apistan, but
just to be prepared to do that, in case this drug will work
not anymore for you.
 
    Now, about that very good mathematical calculation you
made... with 93% efficiency in the ONE-TWO times treatment a
year.
 
    I agree with you that we need such a high effectiveness
(over 93%), but the big DISADVANTAGE in the chemical
treatments is that you can use them ONLY 1-2 times a year,
otherwise (if you will make it more often)  you will
endanger the quality of your products + you will increase
the risk to obtain resistant to your treatments varroa!
 
    The big ADVANTAGE of the alternative methods is that you
can use them AS OFTEN AS IT'S NECESSARY without affecting
the products quality, of course if you will use the proper
methods and at proper times!!!
 
    More times 80-90% efficiency is better than one-two
times 93%!
 
    Also, my friend, methods like phytotherapy,
aromatherapy, dietotherapy may be new concepts for you, as
applications in beekeeping, but when you treat a disease,
you need to treat the WHOLE organism (in our case a colony).
So, it is NOT enough to treat with chemicals the varroa and
"bye-bye", be a happy man..., you need to treat the wounded
(by varroa bites) bees which may get an infection with
bacteria or viruses. These infection may spread in the
colony and in the spring you will have no varroa but also no
colonies...
 
    So, you need to treat ALWAYS the WHOLE colony, the
healthy and the non-healthy bees, not only with a simple
chemical treatment but with several other methods which will
ensure for ALL bees and for ALL their bodily CELLS enough:
 
    a) nutrients, for a certain time of the year;
    b) vitamins and enzymes;
    c) trace elements;
    d) protection against dangerous bacteria and/or viruses;
    e) oxygen;
    f) warmness;
    g) immune system stimulation
    h) detoxification etc., etc.
 
    Unfortunately, Apistan, Bayvarol and alike will NEVER
give the above very important factors.
 
    Again, I see that very clearly in the medical practice.
There are millions of people (humans!) on Earth which are
being superficially treated in classical "chemical"
hospitals, against different parasites, bacteria, viruses or
fungus. Some of them are healed of these "bugs", but
unfortunately they die afterwards because they have not
received enough from the above mentioned factors ("a" to
"h")...
 
    Even if these "alternative" methods are now not so
efficient (over 93%) THEY WILL BE in the future, when our
best researchers will invest more time, energy and
intelligence in theirs study, being forced or not by the
lack of efficiency of the classical "one type" chemical
treatments...
    I hope you will finally agree with that...
 
 
>BTW - your recomendations can be completed with some other
methods
>(of the same kind you proposed):
>
>XIII)  Praying
>XIV) Prohibition of varroa existence
>XV)  Scaring varroa to death.
>XVI)  Calling for a schaman.
>
 
>\vov
 
 
        If you believe or not (it's your business...),
praying and calling for a good schaman may be a GOOD idea.
 
        I know personally a professional beekeeper from
United States which use such methods with 100% efficiency!
 
        In my humble opinion, like in human medicine, we can
use ANY method, against ANY disease.
 
        The only important condition is to save, protect and
prolong the LIFE, as much as possible.
 
 
        Kind regards to all of you and hope to hear more
positive comments on the alternative methods against varroa!
 
        I'm sure that among over 800 members of our list,
there are enough open minded (or, why not, ...deceived)
people which tried or used regularly at least some of the
above mentioned alternative methods.
 
        Your input in our list will be much appreciated and
hopefully we will obtain soon a much desired harmony between
the "old" and the "new", between chemistry and
biochemistry...
 
       Stefan Stangaciu.
       Constanta, Romania.
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