You people sound like a bunch of  old women!!
 
 
On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:05:08 -0600 "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline"
<[log in to unmask]> writes:
>ANDY IF YOU POSSIBLY HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOVE LETTER FROM
>KATHY YOU ARE
>PROBABLY GETTING WARM FUZZES ABOUT NOW FROM THE LETTER I SENT YOU
>YOU ARE A MUCH LARGER A$$HOLE THAN YOU GIVE YOURSELF CREDIT FOR."
>IMHO" MAYBE YOU
>SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER LIST TO SUBSCRIBE TO~~~~~~~~~ttyl~~~~~~
>the bee cop with the badge and in some
>areas a gun dressed in his green
>suit.
>
>Andy Nachbar wrote:
>
>> Hello Kathy and thanks for the Love Letter, I am sorry that you have
>such a
>> low personal opinion of my posts and I am sure you are not alone. I
>will
>> try to do better in the future as I surely do not know it all and
>have room
>> for some improvement in my life.
>>
>> I will make a few points since I have rung your bell I might as well
>add to
>> your lists of personal grievances. If you are not interested you are
>free
>> and welcome to add me to your reader's byte bucket list and should
>do it
>> now before reading any farther.
>>
>> (EXIT NOW)
>>
>> 1st and most important I have always been up front with what I post
>and I
>> always try to impress all readers that what I post is "in my own
>humble
>> opinion" (IMHO), and what I write should not be taken as anything
>more then
>> the Bee Gospel according to my own experiences from a lifetime
>within the
>> Beekeeping Industry and in my own beehives and many others. I am
>sure
>> other's may have done the time but I would not expect them to have
>the same
>> opinion's or express them in the same style as I do, if at all,
>that's life..
>>
>> I do pride myself on being honest and truthful in what I say but
>admit that
>> I use a style of writing that I hope makes other's think and in no
>way is
>> intended to do any more then cause all to read what I write. I do
>not write
>> the politically correct post as anyone can see. It may be seen as
>> aggressive by some, but other's take a certain amount of pride to
>have been
>> the subject of one of my so called report's and some do make changes
>> because of them and many of these victims are in real life
>considered my
>> friends. Maybe it is a painful learning process which is the norm
>when
>> working with bees or the Internet. Everyone who read's what I write
>is free
>> to e-mail any challenge to what I post and they do and I have at
>times
>> admitted I was wrong in my opinion's which have not been cast in
>stone or
>> handed down from above.
>>
>> Some feeling and ego's do get bruised but that is the nature of this
>thing
>> we call language and the impersonal nature of the Internet's news
>groups,
>> list mail, and e-mail,.. most experienced readers and posters do not
>and
>> should not take what anyone write's as personal. I am sorry for
>those who
>> do shed a tear because they felt they were personally attacked and
>can only
>> say to them it's a two way street of experience and if anyone feels
>they
>> were personally offended they are free here to express their own
>opinions.
>> A common mistake that we all make and that is reading something into
>> other's post that was not intended by the sender. I do not have time
>for
>> personal fights or personal attack's in my life's work, but know
>that my
>> style of writing can be the subject of mis interpretation by those
>who may
>> read what I write, not all do as many do not like long winded posts
>or
>> posts that ramble, both are the norm for me, and all are welcome not
>to
>> read them.
>>
>> I don't expect many to agree with what I write and yet every week I
>am
>> asked for permission to use what I have written in one way or
>another and
>> this gives me the warm fuzzes but also does surprise me and I have
>without
>> effort, other then what is required to make a post, became one the
>most
>> quoted beekeepers on the world wide net. I don't know if this is
>good, but
>> for sure many want to read what I have to say and are not turned off
>by how
>> I say it and find my effort's worthwhile or they would not be making
>the
>> efforts to add my words to their own web pages, newsletter's, real
>> newspaper's, books, and other not so friendly places.
>>
>> Anyway I am in no way offended when other's don't agree with me
>personally
>> and welcome and encourage all to express their own opinions and I do
>not
>> judge anyone because he or she has expressed a differing opinion or
>do I
>> try to belittle those who ask questions as I found out a long time
>ago the
>> only bad question is the one that was not asked and believe it or
>not I
>> learn by what other's ask. I have personally set up a "auto
>responder" for
>> new bee's who want some basic information and it is well used to the
>point
>> that I seldom mention it as it costs me dearly, but thankfully
>others have
>> followed my lead and several "auto responders" are now installed on
>the
>> Internet for beekeeper's use.
>>
>> I also believe that "if you can do it better then I, then have at
>it!". I
>> personally plan on continuing with my own efforts as long as I am
>able as I
>> have a lot to say and have just began to say it.
>>
>> >I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you did the right things,
>if
>> >anything you erred to the side of caution and IMHO, that is a good
>> >thing.
>>
>> What was that you say, someone may have errored.., IMHO it was one
>error
>> that so many beekeepers, new and old make, and that is looking to
>> government to solve a common everyday beekeeping problem.
>>
>> >As for Andy Nachbaur's other comments about  "Afro Bee Slash and
>Burn"
>> >"quarantine boss with star and gun at the ready"; it appears to me
>that
>> >Andy has some problem with the current method of quarantine being
>used
>> >in this country to attempt to stop/slow the spread of african
>honeybees
>>
>> Yes, this includes ALL US bee quarantines which have done nothing to
>stop,
>> slow down or cure any beekeeping problem and in fact have ruined the
>lives
>> of so many good beekeepers and their families who were no different
>from
>> anyone else on this earth other then to have been the victims of the
>zeal
>> of others. At least one death can be pointed out as a direct result
>of one
>> of the bee quarantines though not from a gun shot or bee stings but
>a
>> broken heart and many others have suffered such a degree of damage
>that no
>> amount of liberal rhetoric can ever make them whole again or will I
>ever
>> personally forgive those whom I know were responsible or those in
>positions
>> of responsibility who did nothing but fan the fires knowing all
>along that
>> it was wrong. The US bee quarantines have been so bad that even the
>US
>> government agency that was responsible for them now uses them as an
>example
>> of what not to do in their internal training operations. Even the
>AHB
>> guarantee is due to expire because the science behind it is so poor
>that
>> any lower court challenge would end it anyway.(IMHO)
>>
>> >I recall an earlier post in which he advises someone looking for
>African
>> >honeybee stock to breed in the US, that he contact some of the guys
>behind
>> >quarantine lines to get AHB breeding stock.
>>
>> I did that? It is my own opinion that since we have AHB we should
>take our
>> heads out of our sand boxes., It is time we got to know our bees
>including
>> the AHB personally and up close and work and use them, not as attack
>dogs,
>> but use some of their well known productive qualities to make
>improvement
>> to most any stock now in this country. We don't have to import them
>via
>> some government program as they are here now in abundance, nor do we
>have
>> to relied on the judgement of persons with nothing to gain or lose
>in
>> choosing the right stock for ourselves. Believe it or not many
>beekeepers
>> in the US are doing what I have suggested above and they do live
>with fear,
>> and that's not right. Man or beekeepers should have the right to use
>what
>> God has provided without fear of punishment or destruction from his
>fellow
>> man the bee cop with the badge and in some areas a gun dressed in
>his green
>> suit.
>>
>> Well for a fact if there are so called quarantine lines they have
>not kept
>> beekeepers from moving in and out of these areas such as bees from
>Texas
>> and other states known to have AHB, (now including California, an
>infested
>> state) and these same bees can be found in both the South, East,
>West and
>> North and have not caused any reported problems and have added to
>the
>> wealth of this county with honey production and pollination of many
>> agricultural crops, then what good are quarantines other then to
>provide
>> employment to government people whom could be doing other more
>productive
>> things like checking meat for bad smells or bugs and chemicals.
>>
>> >I figured when no one blasted him for that (IMO irresponsible)
>post,
>> >that most everyone here on BEE-L had come to appreciate Andy for
>his
>> >forwarding of other peoples info, press releases, etc. but had
>learned
>> >to ignore much of what  he personally had to say
>>
>> >(I was lucky to have been forewarned).
>>
>> You may have been the victim of some poor information but you make
>it sound
>> like there is a "Kill the OLd Drone Club".<G> But as long as you
>read what
>> I write I believe in time you may with real time beekeeping
>experience have
>> a somewhat more moderate opinion on ignoring what I and other
>commercial
>> beekeepers have to say and may even change your open personal
>attacks on my
>> own opinions and my posts made at great personal investment and
>without
>> expectations of rewards or even the recovery of out of pocket costs.
>>
>> I seldom blow my own horn like this but I take great pride in the
>numbers
>> of people who over the years have taken the time to come up to me
>> personally, sometimes years later, and tell me how that at one time
>they
>> thought I had one wheel off the track but they have with experience
>changed
>> their own opinion's and think it is important enough to personally
>tell me
>> that I was on the right track all the time. This is the only real
>reward I
>> get for my personal public efforts and does make it worthwhile and
>calms my
>> own fears and cold chills I get when so many times I have stood up
>alone
>> before National and State Beekeeping groups, University Boards, the
>> Legislature's, and the Court's, trying in my own way to protect
>myself and
>> my industry from those who would do us as individuals under by
>telling it
>> in my own way as I see it and it has worked well and I would be
>happy to
>> give you details but will not take the time now. I have always
>included all
>> beekeepers in my efforts and do not judge individuals by the number
>of bees
>> they have or the reason they have them or even what they post to
>newsgroups
>> or list mailers but I read them all as time permits and even the
>personal
>> Love Letters from other readers.
>>
>> IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone
>