> There are 18 messages totalling 621 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. bee story (2)
>   2. WARMING HONEY. (4)
>   3. West African bees
>   4. IMHO (2)
>   5. JENTER QUEEN SYSTEM
>   6. Races? (2)
>   7. Warming honey
>   8. Pashke's Building Frame (2)
>   9. Races
>  10. molds for candles
>  11. Where angels fear to tread
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:25:00 GMT
> From:    Michael Hardy <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: bee story
>
>  Several people asked me to post the newspaper story I wrote, after I
>  had posted a question on this listserv. It's probably old news to
>  all of you, but my aim was to educate the general public. Here it is.
>  Copyright 1996, Mobile Press Register.
>
> Invaders too small to see ravaging bee population
>
> Experts say spread of mites will lead to higher food prices
>
> By MICHAEL HARDY
> Staff Reporter
>
>    Where have all the bees gone?
>    When did you last see wild bees crawling over clover blossoms?
>    It's probably been a while, because bees have been disappearing.
>    Their decline comes courtesy of two almost microscopic invaders:
>    varroa mites and tracheal mites. The pests, native to South America,
>    showed up in the United States roughly 10 years ago and have been
>    quietly spreading ever since. Beekeepers and scientists are worried
>    that soon the native bee populations will be gone
>    altogether.
>    ``It's going to touch everybody's table,'' said Marge Smith, a
>    beekeeper in Chunchula. The wild bees pollenate crops. Without them,
>    farmers will have to keep bees, too, or have bees brought in, raising
>    the cost of growing food.
>    The Alabama Cooperative Extension System has contracted Dr. James
>    Tew of Ohio State University to help create an educational
>    program, said Mobile County extension agent Tony Glover. Tew holds a
>    Ph.D. in apiculture, the study of bees. He was not available for
>    comment.
>    The system has contracted Tew for one year to conduct workshops
>    and prepare written materials educating beekeepers about
>    the mites and how to control them, as well as other beekeeping
>    principles, Glover said. Unlike many states, Alabama has no state
>    apiculturist.
>    But no matter how well-educated the keepers, the mites are here to
>    stay, Glover said. While beekeepers can use chemicals to treat their
>    beehives, wild bees are unprotected.
>    ``It's a  tremendous problem,'' he said. ``It's continually getting
>    worse. The bee population in the wild, as well as managed hives, is
>    decreasing. I don't think it's bottomed out yet, especially in the
>    wild.''
>    Even with treatments, Andy Webb said he has lost about half
>    of his bees over the past five years. Webb runs the Calvert Apiary
>    near the Washington County line. He supplies bees to beekeepers
>    around the country.
>    He's also seen his customer base change. Many hobbyist beekeepers
>    are dropping out, because the cost and work involved in
>    maintaining a hive has become too much to squeeze into free time.
>    ``Bees used to be self-sustaining,'' he said. ``You could
>    just put them in the hive. Now it takes a great deal of management
>    because of the mites.''
>    Some new beekeepers are more successful than veterans, because
>    they start off having to fight the mites, he said. They have no old
>    ways to unlearn.
>    Commercial beekeepers are hanging tough, inspired by a rise in the
>    price of honey, Webb said. That came about in 1994, after trade
>    groups sued the Federal Trade Commission to stop the inflow of
>    Chinese honey into American markets.
>    ``That was kind of a shot in the arm,'' Webb said.
>    Varroa mites suck the life out of bee larvae, Webb said. They
>    attach themselves to adult bees, but the adults are primarily
>    carriers. The larvae provide food for the parasitic mite.
>    Tracheal mites reproduce in the bee's trachea. If they're small
>    enough, they can cause infections. If they're bigger, they
>    suffocate the bee.
>    Beekeepers use a chemical called apistan to kill varroa, and
>    menthol to get rid of the tracheal mites, Glover said.
>    The pesticides control the mites, but they don't completely
>    eradicate them from the hive, Glover said. ``If you were to kill
>    every varroa mite in the hive, the bees would die first from the
>    level of treatment you'd need.''
>    What worries Glover the most is, apistan and menthol are the only
>    weapons the beekeepers have. And eventually, the mites will become
>    resistant to them.
>    Harsher chemicals are not an option, because they would kill
>    the bees along with the mites, Glover said. They would also
>    contaminate the honey.
>    Just exactly how much the native bee population has declined is
>    uncertain. Glover said reliable data on the number of bees
>    that used to be present is hard to find.
>    But there's no doubt there aren't many now. ``I'll go out
>    and do informal counts, and there's no bees out there, maybe one in
>    1,000 blooms,'' he said. ``And that's at a time when they should be
>    humming, early morning and blooms all over.''
>    The mites are spreading like fire ants, Glover said -- slowly, but
>    inexorably.
>    ``We're continually seeing new areas affected that weren't
>    affected before,'' he said.
>    Adrian Wenner, professor emeritus of natural history at the
>    University of California in Santa Barbara, monitors an Internet
>    electronic mailing list dedicated to bee enthusiasts.
>    In response to a reporter's question posted on that mailing list,
>    Wenner said that historical in@@hyphen@@formation about bee numbers
>    is hard to find for any area of the country.
>    ``On the e-mail network, though, the plaintive `Where have all the
>    bees gone' (messages) came from all regions of the country,'' he
>    wrote. ``Suddenly, growers and backyard gardeners realized
>    that they no longer had honeybees pollenating their fruit.''
>    The decline of bees will affect more than the price of honey. Bees
>    are vital to the pollenization of fruit trees, melons and many other
>    crops. As the wild bees disappear, beekeepers will find another
>    source of income in making their bees available for pollenization.
>    That's already a widespread practice, and due only to expand.
>    ``Everybody has been used to free bees, but they're just not there
>    anymore,'' Webb said.
>
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:13:06 -0800
> From:    Mark Jensen <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: WARMING HONEY.
>
> >I regularly heat my crystalized honey and notice no change in the
> >flavor.  I am though cautious to heat only to about 145 degrees F.  When
> >I first did this using a double boiler, it was hard to maintain the
> >temperature.  I found the solution at a farm auction.  I bought a old
> >thermostatically controlled deep frier.  It does an excellent - and
> >inexpensive - job.  Once set, the thermostat warms to 145 and holds it
> >until all crystals are gone.  I can do about a half dozen one pound
> >bottles at a time...  The water (which I use instead of the oil the frier
> >used to use) acts as a buffer just as the double boiler would.
> >
> >Larry Krengel
> >Marengo, IL  USA
>
> 145 degrees will seriously damage your honey. Anything above 110 will
> destroy the enzymes which are in the honey and which give fresh honey its
> special flavors and odors. Do a taste test on before and after samples You
> can liquefy your honey by setting your melter to 100 degrees F and leaving
> it for 24 hours. Experiment with the temp and the time. The lower the temp
> the longer it will take. I would recommend the lowest temp to liquefy the
> honey in 24 hours. I have a waterbed heater in an old chest freezer
> connected to a Walter Kelley temperature switch. With the switch set to 95
> degrees F most any honey liquefies in 24 hours. 60's take about 2 days.
>
> Mark Jensen-Double J Apiaries           [log in to unmask]
> Los Altos Hills, CA, USA                     fax 415 941 3488
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:20:52 +0000
> From:    Patch Byrne <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: West African bees
>
> To all Bee people around the world . . . . if you have read this already
sorry!
>
>         I am a third year biology student at Royal Holloway University of
> > London. Last summer I was working at the International Institute for
> > Tropical Ariculture (IITA), Biological Control Centre for Africa, Cotonou,
> > Benin, West Africa.
> >
> > My project at IITA was to test the entomopathogen METARHIZIUM FLAVOVIRIDE
for
> > detrimental effects on APIS MELLIFERA ADANSONII. It is hoped that the fungus
> > will soon be used as a biocontrol agent against locusts and grasshoppers.
> >
> > Information on the West African honey bee I worked with appears to be
scarce,
> as seems to be information on bees suseptability to entomopathogens. Any
> > information you can forward me through E-mail/post would be much
appreciated.
> > Once my project has been written up I would be glad to forward you a copy.
> >
> > Thank you in advance
> >
> >             \|/
>                @ @            Patrick Byrne
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>  ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:43:17 +0100
> From:    Michael Haberl <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: IMHO
>
> Every now and then some of you use the abreviation *IMHO*, e.g.
>
> > To quote chapter, verse,and author before the precis does not IMHO make the
> > article less valuable
>
> Could someone please explain.
> Thanks.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Michael Haberl
> Zoologisches Institut der Uni Muenchen         Tel: ++49 89 5902-444
> Luisenstr. 14                                  Fax: ++49 89 5902-450
> 80333 Muenchen, Germany   E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:11:41 -0500
> From:    John Iannuzzi <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: JENTER QUEEN SYSTEM
>
> "Practical Queen Rearing," book by Charles/Pauline Dublon (Welsh couple),
> includes an
> in-depth discussion of the SUBJECT line.  Brushy Mountain Bee supplies
> in Moravian Falls NC usa (1-800-BEESWAX) was selling it in 1994 for
> $17.45 plus 2# shipping (send 4 their free catalog?). Bonne chance.
> Jack the B-man
> Ellicott City MD usa
> PS "It's a pleasure to give advice,
>   humiliating to need it,
>   and perfectly normal to ignore it."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:24:29 +0000
> From:    Malcolm Roe <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Races?
>
> Regarding libraries, you don't have to have access to a university
> library to get copies of papers, etc.  The following, from IBRA's www
> pages (http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html) says it all.
>
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>    The library at IBRA's headquarters in Cardiff holds a wealth of
>    information on bee related subjects unequalled elsewhere in the world,
>    and it is continually being added to with contributions from many
>    countries.
>
>    People from all over the world can use the library, though our
>    information search and document delivery services. We can use our
>    computer databases to answer your queries, prepare specific
>    bibliographies or carry out subject searches.
>
>    Members of IBRA have special privileges: they can borrow books by
>    post, use the library in person, and receive a 50% discount on all
>    library charges.
>
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
> --
> Malcolm Roe                                Phone  :  +44 1442 345104
> Crosfield Electronics Ltd                  Fax    :  +44 1442 343000
> Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK        E-mail :  [log in to unmask]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:57:37 +0000
> From:    Malcolm Roe <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: WARMING HONEY.
>
> In the UK many small scale and hobby beekeepers keep honey in bulk
> containers and re-melt it before putting it in jars to sell.  Often they
> use 28lb containers.  (I use 5 litre second hand food containers which
> hold 16lb.)
>
> The usual method of re-melting is to use a warming cabinet, which is an
> insulated box with a door, a lightbulb at the bottom and a grill above
> for the container to stand on.  Normally the honey is left in for about
> 24 hours.  A certain amount of experimenting is needed to get the right
> power level to raise the honey to the correct temperature but no higher.
> You don't really need a thermostat since, ignoring changes in ambient
> temperature, the loss of heat through the walls of the cabinet is
> constant once equilibrium has been reached.  Typically 60 to 100W is
> about right.  A particularly economical method of making a cabinet is to
> use an old refrigerator with the pipework and compressor removed
> although American refrigerators in particular may be a bit large for
> many people.
>
> --
> Malcolm Roe                                Phone  :  +44 1442 345104
> Crosfield Electronics Ltd                  Fax    :  +44 1442 343000
> Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK        E-mail :  [log in to unmask]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:46:55 EST
> From:    "Frederick L. Hollen" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: WARMING HONEY.
>
> The lowest temperature setting on my wife's crock-pot cooker
> happens to result in a temperature of 140 degrees.  I store my
> honey in one-gallon glass jars which just fit the crock-pot
> with room for a water bath around them.  Liquifies in 3-4 hours.
> OK for my own use, but not large-scale.
>
> Fred
>
> According to krengel lawrence e:
> >
> > I regularly heat my crystalized honey and notice no change in the
> > flavor.  I am though cautious to heat only to about 145 degrees F.  When
> > I first did this using a double boiler, it was hard to maintain the
> > temperature.  I found the solution at a farm auction.  I bought a old
> > thermostatically controlled deep frier.  It does an excellent - and
> > inexpensive - job.  Once set, the thermostat warms to 145 and holds it
> > until all crystals are gone.  I can do about a half dozen one pound
> > bottles at a time...  The water (which I use instead of the oil the frier
> > used to use) acts as a buffer just as the double boiler would.
> >
> > Larry Krengel
> > Marengo, IL  USA
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:01:55 -0800
> From:    "Ken Umbach ([log in to unmask])" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: IMHO
>
> IMHO = "In my humble opinion."
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Michael Haberl wrote:
>
> > Every now and then some of you use the abreviation *IMHO*, e.g.
> >
> > Could someone please explain.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:23:47 -0500
> From:    "J. David Riddle" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Warming honey
>
> I've been reading alot about techniques for warming honey after it has
> crystalized, but I have a couple of background questions. First, what are
> the factors that contribute to the crystalization of honey?  Can these be
> manipulated or managed to increase the shelf life of honey? Finally, how
> long can you expect the honey to remain uncrystalized after heating it?
> Does the heating process cause the crystalization process to begin sooner
> the next time?
>
> J. David Riddle
> Newburyport, MA
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:14:48 -0500
> From:    David Eyre <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Races?
>
> David Eyre wrote.
> >> Under the circumstances I would suggest a small precis of the article
posted
> >> on the Net would be far more valuable.
> David Cawley wrote
> >        I was merely point to a readily available resource that coud be
> >ordered from the publisher. I didn't have the issue handy and thought
> >that if the person wanted to take the initiative and contact the
> >publisher, they'd have a nice article at their finger tips.
>
> Boy....I sure stirred up a hornets nest!!! I will try again... We tend to
> forget.. some of us don't live in the US, some of us don't have access to
> the University library. There is no point in telling us to look up an
> article in a magazine which we don't subscribe to. No... I can't afford to
> subscribe to all the mags. So.. I repeat, a brief precis giving the authors
> view would be benifcial to all. I'm sure the author, provided the contents,
> contax, etc are not changed, wouldn't mind. Especially if it is of benifit
> to all.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:25:07 +0000
> From:    Peter Wright <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Pashke's Building Frame
>
> I wonder if     anyone is familiar with the construction of the above
> device? In german it is called "Baurahmen" and enables the beekeeper to
> see activity on the comb without opening the hive. According to H.Storch
> in his book "At the Hive Entrance" it is widely used in Germany, but
> unfortunately the only description he provides is, " the glass pane of
> the window is arranged facing towards the inside of the hive (in Winter)
> and the free space filled with corrugated paper for insulation. ...In
> the summer, the building frame is positioned with a starter strip of
> foundation, and then the window galss outside>"
>
> I cannot envisage how this is constructed as to simply replace the side
> of an existing super with glass will be of no use to observe activity in
> the winter time.
>
> Peter Wright
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:42:55 -0400
> From:    Joel Govostes <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Pashke's Building Frame
>
> I have seen this idea illustrated and described in German beekeeping
> manuals. It is a narrow chamber across the front of a hive body and it
> holds one frame.  Imagine you're looking at a standard hive body, head on.
> The idea would be like a double wall on the end of the hive body facing
> you.  There is a space between the two walls into which you can slide a
> frame.  This frame would be positioned "sideways" to the regular set of
> combs in the hive body, and separated from them by the "inner" wall.  I
> suppose this inner wall has some set of holes or something so the bees have
> easy access to the "building frame."  The outer wall facing you would have
> a pane of glass with a removable cover.  Then to estimate the progress of
> the colony you just take off the glass-covering panel and you can look in
> to see what the bees are up to on the face of the comb. This gives you a
> relative idea of what's going on in the main set(s) of combs.  It makes for
> a longer hive front - to - back. I have never seen the idea developed in
> US/UK books.  I hope this is helpful.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:21:12 GMT
> From:    Sid Pullinger <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Races
>
> I have been following the letters on race and which bee is best with
> interest.  I would suppose that in countries as large as the U.S. and Canada
> beekeepers are widely spaced.  Thus most matings would be with drones from
> one's own apiary and would be pure most of the time.  In my part of the U.K.
> almost every beekeeper has another one within easy flying range.  In my case
> I have four others within a mile of my apiary so any attempt to maintain a
> pure strain would be doomed to failure.
> I have long since decided that for me race is unimportant.  Starting from
> scratch it took me some  five years of careful selection and culling to end
> up with docile, non-swarming bees which wintered well and produced honey.
> That was a long time ago and it is a continuous process of selection.  Any
> stock attempting to swarm is artificially swarmed and ruled out of the
> breeding programme however good it is.  Any stock showing undue defence
> mechanism is immediately sorted out and requeened.  Bees which resent
> handling have no place where there are neighbours.  After sixty years of
> beekeeping I have yet to buy in a single queen.
> I would advise any beginner not to worry overmuch about race.  Beekeepers
> have been arguing for more than a hundred years about the relative merits of
> the different races and there is still no agreement.  Had there been one
> superior bee it would have emerged long ago. It is interesting to note that
> instrumental insemination has been practised world wide for forty years but
> the everyday beekeeper still has to raise his queens in the age old way.
> Unless you buy in pure queens every year or live in an oasis you will end up
> with hybrids.  Virgins from your queens will mate with six or more drones a
> mile or more from your apiary.  IMHO a carefully selected hybrid will
> perform as well as any pure bred.
> To start a breeding programme you need five to ten stocks to  give a
> reasonable range to select from.  If you have just one or two and they are
> bad-tempered or swarmy you have nothing to start with and they must be
> re-queened from outside.
> Varroa arrived in my apiary in 1994 and started causing damage in 1995.
> Testing with Apistan I have already found a wide range of mite infestation
> so there is now another stage in the selection process in the hopes that I
> might find some of my bees more resistant than others.  Another five year
> programme?
> _________________________________________________________________
> Sid Pullinger                    Email :  [log in to unmask]
> 36, Grange Rd                Compuserve:  [log in to unmask]
> Alresford
> Hants SO24 9HF
> England
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:00:36 -1000
> From:    "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture"
>          <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: bee story
>
> Michael Hardy's newspaper piece on declines in feral honey bee populations
> with the advent of tracheal and varroa mites contains one major error.
> There is no indication that the two mites are native to South America, as
> Hardy reports. Varroa is native to subtropical and tropical Asia where
> its original host was the eastern honey bee, Apis cerana; problems with
> tracheal mite first were reported from the Isle of Wight in England,
> indicating that this species may be native to Europe.
>
> With regard to another statement made in the article, apiculture refers
> more to the practice of beekeeping than to the study of bees. The term
> "mellitology" occasionally has been applied to the study of bees.
>
> Tom Culliney
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:45:46 -0600
> From:    krengel lawrence e <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: WARMING HONEY.
>
> On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Mark Jensen wrote:
>
> > >I regularly heat my crystalized honey and notice no change in the
> > >flavor.  I am though cautious to heat only to about 145 degrees F.  When
> > >I first did this using a double boiler, it was hard to maintain the
> > >temperature.  I found the solution at a farm auction.  I bought a old
> > >thermostatically controlled deep frier.  It does an excellent - and
> > >inexpensive - job.  Once set, the thermostat warms to 145 and holds it
> > >until all crystals are gone.  I can do about a half dozen one pound
> > >bottles at a time...  The water (which I use instead of the oil the frier
> > >used to use) acts as a buffer just as the double boiler would.
> > >
> > >Larry Krengel
> > >Marengo, IL  USA
> >
> > 145 degrees will seriously damage your honey. Anything above 110 will
> > destroy the enzymes which are in the honey and which give fresh honey its
> > special flavors and odors. Do a taste test on before and after samples You
> > can liquefy your honey by setting your melter to 100 degrees F and leaving
> > it for 24 hours. Experiment with the temp and the time. The lower the temp
> > the longer it will take. I would recommend the lowest temp to liquefy the
> > honey in 24 hours. I have a waterbed heater in an old chest freezer
> > connected to a Walter Kelley temperature switch. With the switch set to 95
> > degrees F most any honey liquefies in 24 hours. 60's take about 2 days.
> >
> > Mark Jensen-Double J Apiaries           [log in to unmask]
> > Los Altos Hills, CA, USA                     fax 415 941 3488
> >
> Mark -
>
> Your thoughts are interesting.  Do you have any cites from research about
> the enzymes being destroyed at 100+?  I would enjoy reading it.  I find
> that the local commercial (I am definately not commercial) beekeeper also
> heats his to 140ish... however, he uses a flash heater.  I intend to try
> you 100 degrees for 24 hours.
>  Larry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:49:20 GMT
> From:    Jean-Pierre Chapleau <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: molds for candles
>
> A friend asks me where he can buy molds for candles.  I have seen beautiful
> ones at the last Apimondia exhibition but I did not note the names and
> addresses of the suppliers.  Can anybody help my friend with that?
>
> Jean-Pierre Chapleau
> eleveur de reines / queen breeder
> vice-president du Conseil canadien du miel / Vice-president of the Canadian
> Honey Council
> 1282, rang 8, Saint-Adrien de Ham, Quebec, Canada, J0A 1C0
> tel./phone (819) 828-3396; fax (819) 828-0357
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:12:43 +0700
> From:    Allen Dick <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Where angels fear to tread
>
> > some of us don't
> > have access to the University library. There is no point in telling
> > us to look up an article in a magazine which we don't subscribe to.
> > No... I can't afford to subscribe to all the mags.
>
> Anybody on good terms with even two or three people in the bee
> business in most countries - and more than a very casual interest -
> can get his or her hands on almost any recent (and many not so
> recent) copies of Bee Culture or ABJ.
>
> These are, I believe,  the esoteric and very rare publications about
> which this matter began. Although may not be in many University
> libraries, they are likely in a nearby beekeeper's bookshelf.
>
> > So.. I repeat, a
> > brief precis giving the authors view would be benifcial to all. I'm
> > sure the author, provided the contents, contax, etc are not changed,
> > wouldn't mind.
>
> Well, what I think people are (too politely, perhaps) trying to hint
> is that they *do* mind having someone demand they precis an article
> of little interest to them for someone who is unwilling to get up and
> get it for himself.
>
> And if the author him/herself is being addressed, I am sure that it
> is a little insulting to be asked to give the whole carefully
> prepared piece in a few words.
>
> Most here believe they are subscribed to a *bee* list for discussing
> matters relating to bees, not the basic and well established methods
> of researching and studying.
>
> I am sure if *anyone* is having genuine dificulty obtaining important
> info, or if material is at all hard to obtain, the list will bend
> over backwards to assist.  On numerous occasions the scientists and
> extension people here have mailed me very helpful information.
>
> People will give as much or as little info as they wish - Many very
> knowledgeable people sit and read and never post at all - we're
> privileged if they do.
>
> Let's bee content with taking what is offered freely and not begin to
> demand that others serve us only according to our own tastes.
>
> And let us get back to bees...  OK??
>
>              ---------------------------------------------------
>
> "Fearing not that I'd become my enemy - in the instant that I speak"
>
> Regards
>
> Allen
>
> W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper                                         VE6CFK
> RR#1, Swalwell, Alberta  Canada T0M 1Y0  Internet:[log in to unmask]
> Honey. Bees, Art, & Futures <http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of BEE-L Digest - 14 Jan 1996 to 15 Jan 1996
> ************************************************
>
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