As moderator, I am going to cut this thread off here. 

Positions have been stated and at this point the topic has become argumentative, somewhat repetitive, and strayed too far from our mandate.   I maybe partly to blame.

This not the final final word. Anyone who wants to continue this thread can submit a post, but unless that post adds new ideas and is very close to our mandate that post will not be accepted.  Any who desperately need to continue the topic are welcome to continue off-list. 

For some reason this thread attracted a number of  badly formatted posts. 
Neatness counts and meeting our standard is simple.  Please check your formatting before you send and make sure there is no junk at the end..  If you find it hard to read, imagine how others will see it and react.

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