Hi
Bob Neyland here from Navy Underwater Archaeology. Yes you should be able to x ray the revolver and determine if anything is in cylinder. The metal is not so thick as to prevent penetration. You might do it with a medical x ray unit, but an online search could probably find a commercial firm. If there are lead bullets in the cylinder the lead should show up distinct from iron cylinder. Also, if cylinders are empty you may see the empty cylinders as voids in the x ray. I would be sure that you get enough images to make sure you can see all the cylinders. Can you tell if the revolver is a type that fired cartridges or is percussion? There is also an early cartridge type called pin fire that has the detonator pin sticking out of side of cartridge.
Bob
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From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Rich Green <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 11:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Preservation/safety issues for archaeologically recovered firearms
Ms. Kline,
I could be wrong, but I've always assumed that metal, particularly a
relatively large metal item like a revolver, would be difficult to x-ray
in much detail since it is a conductor. It seems likely that the metal
item would appear as a very bright area of the x-ray image in the
general shape of the gun.
In this case, wouldn't a loaded gun just appear as a single entity in
the image? Or, is it possible to calibrate the x-ray instrumet to
differentiate between dissimilar metals i.e steel frame & barrel, lead
bullets, brass cases?
This will be interesting to learn. In a cursory search on the Net, I was
unable to locate any reference to using x-ray technology to identify
metal found within metal. Please share your results if you are
ultimately able to have the imaging done.
Good luck,
--
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
418 N. Main Street
Brownstown, IN 47220
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On 5/24/2019 3:46 PM, Nadia Kline wrote:
> Thank you all for your valuable input! The revolver has been moved to a safe place while we figure out how best to preserve it. It has been suggested that we x-ray it to find out if it’s still loaded. If anyone in the northern New England area has access to an x-ray machine or knows someone who might, please feel free to contact me directly. Thanks again.
>
> Best,
> Nadia Kline
>
>> On May 24, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Davis, Daniel B (KYTC) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I would think the most important issue of whether or not what you have collected will explode and potentially injure or kill someone. Except in very rare instances, once you have noted the specific qualities of your UXO such as caliber and headstamp - and this was question was directed at ammunition - there is no need to curate something that is effectively a small bomb. If it can be rendered inert without destruction, more's the better, but if not, it does not need to be curated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Claudia Chemello
>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 8:47 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Preservation/safety issues for archaeologically recovered firearms
>>
>> Hi all - you most certainly do not want to contact the police or a military base, unless it is the Marine Corps, or your object will be destroyed. A previous post by Bob Neyland, Head, Underwater Archaeology, NHHC detailed this very issue with regard to UXO. The Marines can deal with this without destroying your object if you can find someone at one of their bases to take this on. The more important issue here is that the object will deteriorate significantly without immediate and appropriate conservation.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Claudia
>>
>> *Claudia Chemello MSc.(Cons), Fellow AIC* Co-founder | Senior Conservator Terra Mare Conservation LLC Charleston, SC USA
>> + 1 734 358-4854
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>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:33 AM Pete Gregory < [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I likely have missed parts of this discussion, but unexplored ordnance
>>> is not uncommon across the South. Cannon balls, mortar rounds are
>>> dangerous . You should contact the State police or or the closest
>>> military base as ask for assistance. We have found stray rounds on
>>> surveys due to overshots from gunboats, lost rounds about camps, and
>>> Advance/retreat routes. Survey on military bases should make sure
>>> that the areas are Free from live rounds, even practice rounds can be
>>> dangerous. Trip lines for simulations can lead to injury as well.
>>> Careful articulation on base with environmental offices and the
>>> appropriate personnel should be maintained. Survey personel should be
>>> trained by military about hazards.
>>> Curated ordnance should be unloaded, not an easy task. Collectors
>>> are hurt when they try it! If the artifacts need curation ,
>>> conservation experts need to do it.
>>> Pete Gregory
>>> Williamson Museum NSU
>>> Natchitoches, La.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Davis, Daniel B (KYTC)
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Oh yes. They are unexploded ordnance. If you are on or near a
>>>> military
>>> base, they will have UXO personnel to dispose of things like
>>> ammunition (or any of the other interesting explodey things you may find on a base).
>>> Outside of that, you should contact your local police department. They
>>> will either have the personnel for disposal of UXO or they will be
>>> able to find the appropriate military techs for disposal.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Schuyler, Robert L
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 4:35 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Preservation/safety issues for archaeologically
>>>> recovered
>>> firearms
>>>> What about un-fired bullets excavated? Can they still be dangerous?
>>>> What
>>> should you do with them if so?
>>>>
>>>> Robert L. Schuyler
>>>> University of Pennsylvania Museum
>>>> 3260 South Street
>>>> Philadelphia, PA l9l04-6324
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <[log in to unmask]> on
>>>> behalf
>>> of [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 4:01 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Preservation/safety issues for archaeologically
>>>> recovered
>>> firearms
>>>> I would recommend contacting Nichole Doub - ([log in to unmask])
>>>> Head
>>> Conservator at the MAC Lab who has dealt with loaded guns and
>>> conservation
>>> - maybe get it x-rayed to determine if it is loaded.
>>>> Silas Hurry
>>>> Historic St. Mary's City
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 23, 2019 at 11:13 AM "E. Nadia Kline"
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I work for a CRM firm and yesterday one of our crews uncovered a
>>>>> heavily corroded but seemingly intact revolver from beneath some
>>>>> architectural debris. I believe it's late 19th/early 20th-century
>>>>> in
>>> date.
>>>>> Does anyone have any ideas on how best to preserve this artifact?
>>>>> Could any potentially unfired bullets in the cylinder present a
>>>>> safety hazard? We are not quite sure how to proceed so any input is
>>> appreciated.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Nadia Kline
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