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I'm going with "more study is needed". I'll say that if arsenic is present in above normal concentrations in soil samples and you have blue-green crystals, proceed with caution. If arsenic is not present in anything greater than normal background levels, blue-green crystals may be vivianite. Either way, I suspect blue-green crystals should be handled with care, treated as potentially toxic until proven otherwise, and tested to determine composition - and I would encourage publication of the results of any such testing to provide folks in the field a little more secure footing when they encounter these things in the wild.



-----Original Message-----

From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Pye

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:33 AM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Health and safety considerations for exhumations



All, 



So, I heard back from Dana about the question of arsenic forming blue-green crystals. She said that she was always trained that arsenic forms blue crystalline material in burials. Apparently, this was also by word of mouth and there was no study of the phenomenon. She now believes that the blue crystals in burials is likely vivianite as has been suggested earlier in this thread. 



Best,

Jeremy



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On Thu, 4/25/19, Richard Wright <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Health and safety considerations for exhumations

 To: [log in to unmask]

 Date: Thursday, April 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

 

  

 

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: "Jeremy Pye" 

 To:, "Richard Wright" 

 Cc:

 Sent:Thu, 18 Apr 2019

 22:04:55 +0000 (UTC)

 Subject:Re: Health and

 safety considerations for exhumations

 

  All,

 

  I have

 attached a copy of the Borstel and Niquette paper, which  was  cited in a previous email. The  blue-green crystals are mentioned in  this  paper, but the only source provided is personal  communication  attributed to Dana Kollman, a  forensic anthropologist currently at  Towson  University. I have sent an email to Dana to ask if she  has  specific sources that discuss this  phenomenon. I will report back if I  hear  anything. 

 

  Other than the

 Meyers et al. 1998 paper, for which a link was given  previously, I do know of two other publications  that discuss health  concerns in historic  cemeteries, including arsenic. These include  Konefes and McGee (2001) and Bybee (2004), both  of which are attached.

 Bybee does show a

 picture of the blue-green crystals in a grave in  Kentucky, but the reference given for the  blue-green crystals is  Borstel and Niquette.

 

 

  Best,

 

 Jeremy 

 

 --------------------------------------------

  On Tue, 4/16/19, Richard Wright  wrote:

 

  Subject: Re: Health and

 safety considerations for exhumations

  To:

 [log in to unmask]

  Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 5:30 PM

 

  Daniel

  I

 agree

  absolutely that prior tests for

 arsenic should be carried

  out

  on cemetery soils. No question about

  that.

  What I was worried

 about was that

  excavators might get the

 jitters if

  what

  they were

 observing were merely bluish crystals of

 

 vivianite,

  which are commonly found

 around

  bodies in soils that contains

 iron.

  An

  anecdote,

 unrelated to health and safety. In one forensic

  site,

  containing an

 unidentified murdered

  body, an excavator

 thought that

  the blue on

  a

 persons clothing showed that the person must have

  brushed up against crumbling, blue coloured

  distemper on a painted

  wall.

 Alas there was

  no such forensic clue. The

 blue was made up of a

  dusting of tiny

 crystals of vivianite.

  Richard

 

  -----

 

 Original Message -----

  From:

  "HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY" 

  To:

  Cc:

 

 Sent:Tue, 16 Apr 2019

  14:02:32 +0000

  Subject:Re: Health and safety

 

 considerations for exhumations

 

  Richard,

  Well, the

 original

  citation was Borstel C.L. and

 Niquette C. Testing

  Procedure for Historic

 Cemeteries. Cultural

  Resource Analysts,

 inc.;

  Lexington, KY, USA:

 

 2000 - which used to be relatively easy to find

  online, but now all I can seem to locate  are

  articles that use it as a

  reference. It was

  taken from

 a paper that originally appeared in the

 

 publication of ACRA (American Cultural

 

 Resources Association) in Issue

  6-5 from

 the

  year 2000, but that issue is not

 available in their

  archives, and that

 appears to have been taken

  from a paper

 presented

  at the Archaeological

  Society of Virginia's annual meeting on  October

  3, 1998. The paper is available on

 Academia

  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.academia.edu_10146132_Arsenic-5Fand-5FOld-5FGraves-5FTesting-5FProcedures-5Fat-5FNineteenth-2DCentury-5FCemeteries&d=DwIFaQ&c=jvUANN7rYqzaQJvTqI-69lgi41yDEZ3CXTgIEaHlx7c&r=-8pj4cEgioZn2bzjziNMBdJ1XqJq6a4P68eVLG-usDQ&m=Q-7H5UbMtZKjDjcKpW0JyVjiHdjiJd4jmLrVK_lhFN8&s=tn-UhEtugALw2mk5f8aqCltZIIrcZBB-Pp9sI7GNPNs&e=

  though it does not include a reference to

  arsenic presenting as blue

 

 green crystals in

  historic burials. 

 

  The

  notation

 of arsenic presenting as vivid blue or

 

 blue-green

  crystals does appear on page

 40

  of this Chicora Foundation report on

  the

  excavation of a historic

 cemetery in South Carolina

  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.chicora.org_pdfs_RS73-2520-2D-2520Son-2520Cemetery-2520compressed.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=jvUANN7rYqzaQJvTqI-69lgi41yDEZ3CXTgIEaHlx7c&r=-8pj4cEgioZn2bzjziNMBdJ1XqJq6a4P68eVLG-usDQ&m=Q-7H5UbMtZKjDjcKpW0JyVjiHdjiJd4jmLrVK_lhFN8&s=TQkk3LdLkPGt3slnKUujrkjbX8Jr25tw6mY6CMcG-Qk&e=

  but the reference in the report is to the  ACRA

  paper, and no specific

  examples are

  illustrated in

 the report 

 

  We have no

 specific examples of arsenic

  presenting as

 blue-green

  crystals from the

  historic period excavations conducted to date  in

  Kentucky, but we have not encountered

 high

  concentrations of arsenic

  in any of the

  completed

 exhumations. In short, the reference appears

  to come from a single source and currently

  appears to lack any field

 

 verification that

  I can locate. If however,

 arsenic were present in

  such concentrations

 in a historic period burial

  that it did

 appear as

  a cluster of vivid

  crystals, we would be looking at a burial  that

  constituted a haz-mat site, which

 would create

  a very different set of

  problems. 

 

  I

 do not see a good means to

  differentiate

 vivianite from possible

  arsenic

 contamination in the field aside from

 

 testing the soils

  beforehand. I would

 guess

  that, if testing shows no

 contamination of

  soils by arsenic but

 blue-green crystals appear

  on skeletal

 remains,

  you may have vivianite.

  If you do have contamination of soils from

  arsenic and crystals appear, additional -  and

  very careful - testing

 

 of the material

  should be undertaken to

 determine its composition. 

 

  Fun stuff.

 

 

 Dan

 

  -----Original

 Message-----

 

  From:

 HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

  On

  Behalf Of Richard

 Wright

 

  Sent: Monday, April

 15, 2019 5:33 PM

  To: [log in to unmask]

  Subject: Re: Health and safety

 considerations

  for exhumations

 

  Daniel

  I did

 not know that arsenic forms blue green

 

 crystals, but then I

  have never worked

 in

  that sort of cultural environment for

 burials.

  However, I have worked on numerous

 human and

  animal sites where the

  mineral

  'vivianite'

 (an iron phosphate) forms harmless

  bluish

 crystals

  on bones and clothing.

  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.academia.edu_6961746_The-5Fsignificance-5Fof-5Fvivianite-5Fin-5Farchaeological-5Fsettings&d=DwIFaQ&c=jvUANN7rYqzaQJvTqI-69lgi41yDEZ3CXTgIEaHlx7c&r=-8pj4cEgioZn2bzjziNMBdJ1XqJq6a4P68eVLG-usDQ&m=Q-7H5UbMtZKjDjcKpW0JyVjiHdjiJd4jmLrVK_lhFN8&s=w_MBVghq9m3YcdGcqEBM81zj4OS5kVoHCcx5XRVn3T8&e=

  [1]

  Vivianite is odd. You

 can

  expose parts of a burial and notice

 nothing

  on the surface of the bones. After

 you return

  to work from a coffee

  break you see bones

  that are

 covered with bluish crystals. The

 

 explanation is that vivianite is colorless when

  buried, but oxidizes

  on

 exposure to light

 

  Is there

 any literature on

  the blue green crystals

 of arsenic?

 

  Richard

 

  ----- Original

  Message -----

  From:

 "HISTORICAL

  ARCHAEOLOGY" 

  To:

 

  Cc:

  Sent:Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:35:11 +0000

  Subject:Re: Health and safety

 considerations

  for exhumations

 

  I

  recommend

 testing the soils around historic graves prior to

  any

  excavation to determine

 the presence of

  hazardous materials -

  especially lead,

  arsenic,

 creosote, and mercury. Take samples away

 

 from the interments to get an idea of

 

 background levels of these

  materials,

 and

  follow OSHA guidelines with respect to  the levels of

  any of the materials that

 show up in your

  samples. 

 

  In most

 

 conditions - regular cemetery, wooden coffin, tropical to

  subtropical environment - the risk of

  infectious or contagious disease

  still being

  viable is pretty

 much non-existent. In some cases with

  good

 preservation, say above the Arctic Circle,

 

 the possibility of

  encountering viable

  contagions would increase significantly. Here  in

  Kentucky, however, arsenic is the thing  that I

  worry about most. It

  was used as an

  embalming

 agent for around 50 years, from around 1860

 

 to 1910, with up to 12 pounds of arsenic used

  per interment. It

  presents in

 burials as

  blue green crystals, but if you

 haven't

  prepared for it by the time you

 see it,

  you're hosed.

 

  Daniel

  B.

 Davis

  Administrative Branch Manager,

  Cultural Resources Section Kentucky

  Transportation Cabinet Division of

  Environmental Analysis

  200

 Mero Street

  Frankfort, KY 40622

  (502)

  564-7250 or (502)

 782-5013

  KYTC Archaeology

 

 and KYTC Cultural Historic

 

 

 -----Original Message-----

  From:

 HISTORICAL

  ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

  On

  Behalf Of Adrian Myers

 

  Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019

 7:28 PM

  To: [log in to unmask]

  Subject: Health and safety considerations  for

  exhumations

 

  Hi all,

 

  Can

 anyone point me to any

  articles or research

 that explore the

  issues

 

 around possible health and safety risks associated with

  exhumation of historical graves, both in

  general (e.g.

 

 lead/chemical/hazmat

  exposure, depth of

 excavations), but also

  specifically in

 relation to the possibility

  that an

 interred

  individual died of a

  communicable disease (e.g. Spanish

 Influenza).

  i.e., are there risks of

 disease transmission

  from a historical

  burial, and is there any

 

 research to back this up?

 

 

 Since so far I have nothing on it, I will also accept  your

  informed

  anecdotes

 and opinions!

 

  Thanks

 kindly

 

  *Adrian Myers,

 PhD*

 

 

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  Links:

 

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