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@RichardCryberg
You said (in part):  " Also, oxalic acid will react very rapidly with
alcohol make the ester and the ester will very rapidly decarboxylate at
temps as low as 100 deg C to ethyl formate which is not going to kill
mites."

Can you provide a cite for this, please.  The only ones I can find are
similar to this:
https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/68662/will-oxalic-acid-react-with-ethanol

Will oxalic acid react with ethanol?
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Will oxalic acid, in a saturated solution in ethanol, be able to undergo an
esterification reaction with the ethanol? This is assuming no acidifying
agents (or anything else, for that matter) are added, and room temperature
is also assumed.

I tried to find an equilibrium constant to predict the extent of such a
reaction, but I couldn't seem to find anything. This suggests either that
the reaction does not take place, or that it is so obscure that nobody has
bothered to examine it.
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Marcel <https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/29678/marcel>
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I heard that someone put a lot of effort in finding kinetics of such
reaction, but in case of acetic acid. Oxalic is stronger so reaction should
be faster, but still not very fast. – Mithoron
<https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/9961/mithoron> Feb 16 at 22:57
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Here
<https://www.scribd.com/document/255144891/Eco-friendly-Esterification-of-Oxalic-Acid-With-Ethanol-Using-Mesoporous-MgAlPO4-Catalyst>
is
an article where they developed a catalyst for the esterification,
suggesting it's probably not very fast without a catalysts...for whatever
that's worth ;) – airhuff
<https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/39539/airhuff> Feb 16 at 23:01
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