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a response that begs for a reply....
several Charles Linder snips followed by >my comments...
First, this is not a new thing. There is no sudden crisis of bee pollen proteins.
>Exactly correct. As I have suggest before we began noticing this when large round bail technology replaced square bales and there was a need to identify hay quality by the seller and by the buyer. Much of the the ag science folks thought at the time was this was a result of constant long term cropping practice that had essentially mined the ground of certain minerals especially the micro nutrients. It should be noted that many of these could be added back into the diet at a cost.
This concept of less protein in goldenrod, is a huge red herring. While intellectual curiosity like Randys is understandable and valuable, to link to this and to play "woe are the bees" is absolutely nothing but the worst kind of politics.
> After one paragraph Charlies goes political by blaming other of going political. Sound like a good example of projection and gazing into one 'crystal ball' to conjure up other secondary agenda... but I am just a beekeeper so what do I know?
>The grain of truth here I would suggest is 'crude protein' means little but the accumulation of amino acids based on the honeybees requirement is the larger question. For the lay don't be confused by crude protein analysis and even digestible protein can be misleading < as it quite often is in dog food as an example.
Why do I say that? Because its actually got nothing to do anything we can control anytime on our lifetimes.
>When faced with a problem it is always useful to look helpless and suggest no solutions???
Well seems to my shallow mind, that the extra effort to farm more is going to make the problem worse, not better.
>Well stated???? Actually the solution might be as simple as to teach the current generation of farmers some basic nurturing techniques like not planting up and down slopes, adding back soil micro nutrient and for the bees not planting and harvesting right up to the sides of the road. Evidently (and my larger criticism of modern day agriculture) is much of farming is driven purely by economic ends with little regards to the long term fertility of the soil.
The real problem with the whole GW argument, is the solution, it has to do with human population and personal greed. Guys Like Decaprio, and Al Gore flying around the world and running the largest utility bills in TN should show us exactly how difficult it is to push this rope.
>Certainly as inhabitants of first world nations we all have carbon footprints much larger than most of inhabitants of the world.... but much like your own prior criticism there you go Charles going political one again.
Whats this have to do with bees? Actually not much at all, what it has to do with is one thing, the politics of beekeeping, and how some want to twist little facts to make excuses for why their bees died.
>Well certainly if we all look and act helpless and do or say nothing that will be the ultimate outcome.
So we nod and agree..... Human trait.
> Certainly there is a speck of truth here in that many folks rely (totally) on expert opinion and certainly human induced climate change is not something I suspect even one 'expert' would not know every single detail. Some of us on the other hand abide by Bob Dylan's wisdom...."don't follow leaders, beware the parking meters'.
Just my thoughts. All for the Climate change conversation, as long as we can discuss it with relevant facts and solutions,
>Perhaps it is just me Charles but I did not see much facts or solution in your prior comments.
I think most of us are brighter than that, unfortunately the general population is not.
>One of the more elitist thought now captured in print for all to read. Imho the are lots of uninformed and poorly educated folks in the world... since these folks mind set is not complex some complex ideas/problems can be difficult to convey. The problems really is not so different from 'the tragedy of the commons' whereby the cumulative total of individual acts can lead to unwanted and negative consequence and quite often at such a slow time rate that many folks may never even notice the change.
Gene in Central Texas
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