Enema syringe - my thoughts exactly.
A recent repeat episode of QI [British panel show with Stephen Fry]
featured one. I coudnt find it on Youtube, but I emailed the
collector with John's enquiry, but have not heard back yet. From
memory a distinctive part of the one shown was a threaded bse so as it
was screwed up it forced liquid out.
Will pass any response on.
Denis Gojak
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Wow- that’s spot on, except for the number of holes in the tube.
Good ID, Lindsay!
In that case, John, I’d contact the Science Museum in London. They
have the Wellcome Collection, which when I checked includes more than
2,000 hits for “enema syringe.”
http://collection.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
Collections inquiries here:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/about-us/collections-and-research/enquiries
Another good source might be the Museo de Medicina Infanta Margarita
in Madrid.
http://www.mmim.es/
Best,
Tim
> On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Bloch, Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Going a different direction from musical instrument--have you
considered it might be an enema nozzle? Objects matching this
description have been sold as such on collector/shipwreck websites,
attributed to be 16th century Spanish. I don't know their basis for
identification, as I haven't found any images of intact specimens.
There are pictures of artifacts here:
http://www.icollector.com/Bronze-enema-pump-nozzle-and-tips_i8480303,
and
http://auction.sedwickcoins.com/Bronze-enema-pump-nozzle-Spanish-colonial-1500s-1600s_i9882070.
Whatever they are, they're definitely related to what you have.
>
[http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5414/8480303_1m.jpg?v=8CD24A271185570]
>
> Bronze enema-pump nozzle and tips.
> www.icollector.com
> Bronze enema-pump nozzle and tips. - Daniel Frank Sedwick, LLC
>
>
> Not having worked on early sites, I can't recall seeing
archaeological enema nozzles in metal, but the later hard rubber ones
also often have holes below the tip.
>
> Best of luck,
> Lindsay
>
> Lindsay Bloch, Ph.D.
> Collections Manager
> Florida Archaeological Collections
> Ceramic Technology Laboratory
> Florida Museum of Natural History
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>
>
> ________________________________
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY on behalf of Timothy Scarlett
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 12:32:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Artifact ID question: Luna settlement site, Pensacola
>
> And you might contact the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix,
Arizona, with your question. Their email is [log in to unmask], but
like most private museums, they make it very hard to find out their
curators’ contact information.
> http://www.mim.org/faqs/
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Timothy Scarlett wrote:
>>
>> A really interesting item!
>>
>> Regarding whistles and mouthpieces, I think there are two strikes
against it. First, it looks to me like the hole on what would
otherwise be a “mouthpiece” is pretty small in diameter, which
would make it very difficult to get enough air into a bagpipe or
recorder. For a whistle, there are some interesting comparisons to dog
whistles and bosun’s whistles, even multi-component whistles that
are like smoking pipes of similar structure, like this one from the
nineteenth century:
>>
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dc/53/65/dc5365eed54328414ef1d2e9fee89a85.jpg
>>
>> But the main problem that I see with the whistle issue is that the
“window” should be close to the mouthpiece. This means that the
finger holes used to change the whistle or flute tones are further
along on the whistle body toward the foot.
>> http://www.ggwhistles.com/howto/whistleparts.png
>>
>> I also notice that the body of this object seems pierced with two
holes which are not at opposite locations along the body. Is that
correct John? The two holes in the body seems to be on opposite sides,
but not opposite of each other. The higher one seems so close to the
mouthpiece that I would expect one’s lips to cover it while blowing.
>>
>> I also think that it is similar to some dog whistles though, which
are different from “regular” whistles. So hard to say.
>>
>> Seems to me like an excellent candidate for some experiments. 3D
scan it, convert that model to a 3d printer file and make one! (or
just hire a local woodworker or metal artist to make a replica. That
will be faster and probably easier).
>>
>> I also thought of a spindle, but I’m having a hard time seeing
why it has three holes in those positions. Same for the plumb bob or
survey item.
>>
>> I forwarded your link to a few friends in the history of
technology and history of cannons and armor.
>>
>> Keep us posted!
>> Best,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 9:42 AM, John Worth wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions so far. Apart from the visual
similarity, the
>>> bagpipe (Spanish *gaita*) mouthpiece seems unlikely for the
reasons Cyler
>>> mentions, plus it's quite thick and heavy, and would be difficult
to manage
>>> on a bagpipe, I suspect. The idea of a spindle seems potentially
possible,
>>> though I'm not sure for exactly what. We have at least one
ceramic spindle
>>> whorl from the site, probably Aztec, but this object is quite a
bit
>>> heavier, even in its broken form. I'm also considering that it
might be
>>> some sort of plumb bob, or even part of some sort of surveying or
>>> navigational instrument (though nothing so far seems to match).
>>>
>>> I appreciate all continuing suggestions if anyone comes up with
some
>>> additional ideas. The artifact assemblage in the midden
surrounding this
>>> object includes many of our standard Luna-era artifacts
(16th-century
>>> Spanish olive jar and majolica, caret head nails, wrought iron
spikes, lead
>>> shot, crossbow bolt tips, etc.), so there's a reasonable chance
this is
>>> indeed Luna expedition-related.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Jennifer Kimbell >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am just throwing this out there, but could it be a spindle? I
don't
>>>> have access to many resources where I am at the moment, but
that's what it
>>>> brings to mind for me.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Cyler Conrad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> John, that's an interesting artifact!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedie, no need to laugh at all :) I'm a bagpiper and it looks
quite
>>>> similar
>>>>> to a pipe mouthpiece. The odd factors are the additional holes
drilled
>>>>> perpendicular through the shaft. Those holes would make the
blowpipe
>>>>> essentially useless, and they are not present on any
modern/historical
>>>>> pipes that I know of...if this artifact represented a chanter,
it's
>>>>> possible that you would find holes drilled through the shaft,
but they
>>>>> should only appear on one side.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know Galician gaitas vary in design from Scottish (highland)
pipes,
>>>>> especially in their drone structure, but these basic
characteristics
>>>> should
>>>>> be the same. So I would be surprised, but also excited, if this
was from
>>>> a
>>>>> bagpipe...I suspect though that it represents something else!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you've inspired me to want to understand the archaeological
record
>>>> for
>>>>> bagpipes!
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Cyler
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cyler Conrad, M.A., RPA
>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate
>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Dedie Snow
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, et al.
>>>>>> Please don't laugh, but my immediate reaction upon looking at
the
>>>>>> photographs of the unidentified artifact from the Tristan de
Luna site
>>>> was
>>>>>> that the object is the mouthpiece for a bagpipe. The problem
is, I
>>>> don't
>>>>>> play the bagpipe or even have one close at hand for
comparison.
>>>> According
>>>>>> to Wikipedia though, the Galician gaita was popular in Galicia
and
>>>> northern
>>>>>> Portugal from the 9th century on. Now that I've gone way out
on a limb,
>>>>>> I'd love to know what your unidentified object really is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dedie Snow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY
[mailto:[log in to unmask] ] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of John Worth
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 7:57 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Artifact ID question: Luna settlement site, Pensacola
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to request help or suggestions regarding an unusual
>>>> copper-alloy
>>>>>> object that was found in general midden context at the Tristan
de Luna
>>>>>> settlement site in Pensacola, Florida, and which may therefore
date to
>>>> the
>>>>>> mid-16th century (and would thus join our substantial and
growing
>>>>>> assemblage of Spanish materials from the expedition). However,
it might
>>>>>> also derive from 20th-century occupation in the same vicinity,
possibly
>>>>>> resulting from bioturbation from above. The object is
thick-walled and
>>>>>> heavy, perhaps cast bronze, and has a narrow hole at the
ball-shaped
>>>> tip,
>>>>>> as well as two narrow holes just below the tip at different
positions on
>>>>>> opposite sides. It also has a larger hole off-center in the
base, which
>>>>>> seems broken off, and which has localized corrosion traces
around the
>>>>>> base. Despite its appearance, my impression is that it is too
light and
>>>>>> small to be a nautical sounding weight, and it is too heavy to
be some
>>>> sort
>>>>>> of whistle (two of the suggestions that have been made).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The object is pictured in the album here:
>>>>>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johneworth/albums/72157685583409904
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John E. Worth, Ph.D.
>>>>>> Professor, Department of Anthropology
>>>>>> University of West Florida, 11000 University Parkway,
Pensacola, FL
>>>> 32514
>>>>>> Phone: (850) 857-6204 Fax: (850) 857-6278 Email:
[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Home Page: http://www.uwf.edu/jworth/index.htm
>>>>>> Luna Settlement Project: http://lunasettlement.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/lunasettlementproject/
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