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Something I have no experience with, a topic that seems to have been 
dismissed in this conversation:
I've wondered about the disease element of very modern burials, ie those 
mass death sites that archaeologists take part in?
Diseases of those who were ill when murdered, for instance does AIDS or 
ebola or similar remain viable?
I've seen photos of workers with masks...
S. Walter

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeremy Pye
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Health and safety considerations for exhumations

All,

So, I heard back from Dana about the question of arsenic forming blue-green 
crystals. She said that she was always trained that arsenic forms blue 
crystalline material in burials. Apparently, this was also by word of mouth 
and there was no study of the phenomenon. She now believes that the blue 
crystals in burials is likely vivianite as has been suggested earlier in 
this thread.

Best,
Jeremy

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On Thu, 4/25/19, Richard Wright <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Subject: Re: Health and safety considerations for exhumations
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, April 25, 2019, 5:40 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Pye"
To:, "Richard Wright"
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 18 Apr 2019
22:04:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject:Re: Health and
safety considerations for exhumations

  All,

  I have
attached a copy of the Borstel and Niquette paper, which
was
cited in a previous email. The
blue-green crystals are mentioned in
this
paper, but the only source provided is personal
communication
attributed to Dana Kollman, a
forensic anthropologist currently at
Towson
University. I have sent an email to Dana to ask if she
has
specific sources that discuss this
phenomenon. I will report back if I
hear
anything.

  Other than the
Meyers et al. 1998 paper, for which a link was given
previously, I do know of two other publications
that discuss health
concerns in historic
cemeteries, including arsenic. These include
Konefes and McGee (2001) and Bybee (2004), both
of which are attached.
Bybee does show a
picture of the blue-green crystals in a grave in
Kentucky, but the reference given for the
blue-green crystals is
Borstel and Niquette.


  Best,

Jeremy

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  On Tue, 4/16/19, Richard Wright  wrote:

  Subject: Re: Health and
safety considerations for exhumations
  To:
[log in to unmask]
  Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 5:30 PM

  Daniel
  I
agree
  absolutely that prior tests for
arsenic should be carried
  out
  on cemetery soils. No question about
  that.
  What I was worried
about was that
  excavators might get the
jitters if
  what
  they were
observing were merely bluish crystals of

vivianite,
  which are commonly found
around
  bodies in soils that contains
iron.
  An
  anecdote,
unrelated to health and safety. In one forensic
  site,
  containing an
unidentified murdered
  body, an excavator
thought that
  the blue on
  a
persons clothing showed that the person must have
  brushed up against crumbling, blue coloured
  distemper on a painted
  wall.
Alas there was
  no such forensic clue. The
blue was made up of a
  dusting of tiny
crystals of vivianite.
  Richard

  -----

Original Message -----
  From:
  "HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY"
  To:
  Cc:

Sent:Tue, 16 Apr 2019
  14:02:32 +0000
  Subject:Re: Health and safety

considerations for exhumations

  Richard,
  Well, the
original
  citation was Borstel C.L. and
Niquette C. Testing
  Procedure for Historic
Cemeteries. Cultural
  Resource Analysts,
inc.;
  Lexington, KY, USA:

2000 - which used to be relatively easy to find
  online, but now all I can seem to locate
are
  articles that use it as a
  reference. It was
  taken from
a paper that originally appeared in the

publication of ACRA (American Cultural

Resources Association) in Issue
  6-5 from
the
  year 2000, but that issue is not
available in their
  archives, and that
appears to have been taken
  from a paper
presented
  at the Archaeological
  Society of Virginia's annual meeting on
October
  3, 1998. The paper is available on
Academia
  https://www.academia.edu/10146132/Arsenic_and_Old_Graves_Testing_Procedures_at_Nineteenth-Century_Cemeteries
  though it does not include a reference to
  arsenic presenting as blue

green crystals in
  historic burials.

  The
  notation
of arsenic presenting as vivid blue or

blue-green
  crystals does appear on page
40
  of this Chicora Foundation report on
  the
  excavation of a historic
cemetery in South Carolina
  http://www.chicora.org/pdfs/RS73%20-%20Son%20Cemetery%20compressed.pdf
  but the reference in the report is to the
ACRA
  paper, and no specific
  examples are
  illustrated in
the report

  We have no
specific examples of arsenic
  presenting as
blue-green
  crystals from the
  historic period excavations conducted to date
in
  Kentucky, but we have not encountered
high
  concentrations of arsenic
  in any of the
  completed
exhumations. In short, the reference appears
  to come from a single source and currently
  appears to lack any field

verification that
  I can locate. If however,
arsenic were present in
  such concentrations
in a historic period burial
  that it did
appear as
  a cluster of vivid
  crystals, we would be looking at a burial
that
  constituted a haz-mat site, which
would create
  a very different set of
  problems.

  I
do not see a good means to
  differentiate
vivianite from possible
  arsenic
contamination in the field aside from

testing the soils
  beforehand. I would
guess
  that, if testing shows no
contamination of
  soils by arsenic but
blue-green crystals appear
  on skeletal
remains,
  you may have vivianite.
  If you do have contamination of soils from
  arsenic and crystals appear, additional -
and
  very careful - testing

of the material
  should be undertaken to
determine its composition.

  Fun stuff.


Dan

  -----Original
Message-----

  From:
HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
  On
  Behalf Of Richard
Wright

  Sent: Monday, April
15, 2019 5:33 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Subject: Re: Health and safety
considerations
  for exhumations

  Daniel
  I did
not know that arsenic forms blue green

crystals, but then I
  have never worked
in
  that sort of cultural environment for
burials.
  However, I have worked on numerous
human and
  animal sites where the
  mineral
  'vivianite'
(an iron phosphate) forms harmless
  bluish
crystals
  on bones and clothing.
  https://www.academia.edu/6961746/The_significance_of_vivianite_in_archaeological_settings
  [1]
  Vivianite is odd. You
can
  expose parts of a burial and notice
nothing
  on the surface of the bones. After
you return
  to work from a coffee
  break you see bones
  that are
covered with bluish crystals. The

explanation is that vivianite is colorless when
  buried, but oxidizes
  on
exposure to light

  Is there
any literature on
  the blue green crystals
of arsenic?

  Richard

  ----- Original
  Message -----
  From:
"HISTORICAL
  ARCHAEOLOGY"
  To:

  Cc:
  Sent:Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:35:11 +0000
  Subject:Re: Health and safety
considerations
  for exhumations

  I
  recommend
testing the soils around historic graves prior to
  any
  excavation to determine
the presence of
  hazardous materials -
  especially lead,
  arsenic,
creosote, and mercury. Take samples away

from the interments to get an idea of

background levels of these
  materials,
and
  follow OSHA guidelines with respect to
the levels of
  any of the materials that
show up in your
  samples.

  In most

conditions - regular cemetery, wooden coffin, tropical to
  subtropical environment - the risk of
  infectious or contagious disease
  still being
  viable is pretty
much non-existent. In some cases with
  good
preservation, say above the Arctic Circle,

the possibility of
  encountering viable
  contagions would increase significantly. Here
in
  Kentucky, however, arsenic is the thing
that I
  worry about most. It
  was used as an
  embalming
agent for around 50 years, from around 1860

to 1910, with up to 12 pounds of arsenic used
  per interment. It
  presents in
burials as
  blue green crystals, but if you
haven't
  prepared for it by the time you
see it,
  you're hosed.

  Daniel
  B.
Davis
  Administrative Branch Manager,
  Cultural Resources Section Kentucky
  Transportation Cabinet Division of
  Environmental Analysis
  200
Mero Street
  Frankfort, KY 40622
  (502)
  564-7250 or (502)
782-5013
  KYTC Archaeology

and KYTC Cultural Historic


-----Original Message-----
  From:
HISTORICAL
  ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
  On
  Behalf Of Adrian Myers

  Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019
7:28 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Subject: Health and safety considerations
for
  exhumations

  Hi all,

  Can
anyone point me to any
  articles or research
that explore the
  issues

around possible health and safety risks associated with
  exhumation of historical graves, both in
  general (e.g.

lead/chemical/hazmat
  exposure, depth of
excavations), but also
  specifically in
relation to the possibility
  that an
interred
  individual died of a
  communicable disease (e.g. Spanish
Influenza).
  i.e., are there risks of
disease transmission
  from a historical
  burial, and is there any

research to back this up?


Since so far I have nothing on it, I will also accept
your
  informed
  anecdotes
and opinions!

  Thanks
kindly

  *Adrian Myers,
PhD*


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