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Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:13:57 -0500
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a long Mr Cryberg snip...
I worked in the pesticide industry for a number of years.  One of the functions I managed was formulations.  I just spent a half an hour writing up a responsive answer to the above question.  I read what I wrote and said why am I wasting my time?  I deleted it.  This is a bee forum, not a place to try and teach about Ag formulation practices and all the tricks of the trade.
1.  Pesticide manufacturers are not stupid and do not want to kill your bees.
2.  The EPA is not stupid and does not want to kill your bees.
3.  Insecticides kill bees.  It is the bee keepers responsibility to move his bees if needed to avoid getting them sprayed.
4.  When bee keepers own the land they have their bees on and forage over they can control what will be sprayed.
5.  When bee keepers do not own the land their bees are on and forage over it is their responsibility to move them if the land owner happens to decide to spray.  If it is on short notice tough.
6.   Roundup does not kill bees no matter how many bee keepers swear it killed their bees.
7.  99% of the time bee keepers spend bitching about neonics is a total waste of time as the alternatives are all far worse and there is no meaningful data to show significant harm other than misapplications or planter dust.   The value of neonics to US farmers vastly exceeds the total value of every honey bee in the US. 

Could we all just talk about bees and stop trying to run someone else's business that in general we know nothing at all about?

my comments...
of course if you think pesticides have NEVER impacted the health of a bee hive then your above points are on target and worth reading and consequently might not be suitable content for this web site.  as stated 1) your comments are an obfuscation to my SIMPLE question < might I suggest rather than wasting a half hour writing about ag formulation and another half hour writing what you SPECULATE is the intention of pesticide manufactures that it would have saved you and myself a lot of time by simply answering my simple question and 2) you are PROJECTING what you THINK are my attitudes concerning ag chemicals when in FACT I pretty much agree with your above list < well actually 3, 4, and 5 is a pretty good attempt at shift the responsibility for overspray onto the beekeeper and away from the person applying the product and the manufacturer.... so not so much in agreement there. 

I am still looking for a simple answer to what liquid all those ag chemicals are diluted into in those 500 gallon tanks I see on those cotton farms down in the Brazos River bottom and which at this time I will still assume is water.     

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