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Just so that it's clear, I am one of those farmers.  The farm pays my wages.
We haven't used pesticides/herbicides in our operation since we started
farming in 2000, and we know a lot of other folks who don't use them either.
We keep our customers very well fed, thank you, at prices that they can
afford to pay us and we can afford to live on.  Am I feeding the world?  No.
Am I feeding a number of families in my immediate community?  Yes.  I'm not
sure how any of that makes me a snob lecturing from a high horse taking pot
shots at agriculture.  I was simply trying to point out that
pesticides/herbicides are not necessary for our diversified operation, or
for many of our fellow growers.  And lest you come back with "well, that's
nice that it works for you but it wouldn't work here", I'm pretty sure that
regardless of where you may be, there are folks just like us somewhere
within range that could confirm they're doing it too.  Sorry if that break
from chemical-dependent agriculture somehow offends you.

Kathryn Kerby

Frogchorusfarm.com

Snohomish, WA

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of charles Linder
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [BEE-L] nsecticides which show the least toxicity to bees

 

The fact that they have to continue

to pour so much money into marketing should be the dead giveaway that

they're working really hard to sell us something we don't actually need.

 

 

Unfortunately that's incorrect.   The advertising is an attempt to steal

market from other suppliers,  not sell you something you don't need.   While

there are salesmen that push extra chems,  they generally fall on deaf ears.

  

There is a LARGE group of uniformed and snobbish people trying to make the

general farmer and AG companies  out to be a villains  When in fact nothing

could be further from the truth.  These Natural farmers (organic) are so far

from feeding the world its hilarious.   If 8.00 a bushel for corn works

maybe.  NONE of these farms are producing huge surpluses of grains for the

worlds consumption.  Most grown many diversified crops in smaller quanties.

I am all for them... Bravo...  good job.  

 

But get off the high horses.....  When you make enough to feed your county,

at a price they can afford  then tada! 

 

In the mean time.  Farming is a HUGE capitol expense with little cash

reward,  and more risk than the average person can even fathom.  The Men and

women feeding the nation walk the crops constantly,  and do not poor

unneeded chems out for fun.   DO you even have a clue what input cost are

per acre?? Of what a dose of say Sniper cost to spray in furrow?    Do you

really think that these guys write 50K checks to chem. Companies for fun???

 

It's a strange world we live in.  Vast areas of monoculture bred grounds for

vast areas of pest.  Unfortunately when you plant 4 million acres in corn,

or any other crop.  That's a lot of area for certain pest to breed.  And

they must be managed.  Part of the worlds AG efficiency is large scale

production.  It's a force to be reasoned with.  Ammonds for example would be

a lot more expensive if they were all grown everywhere and  more mills will

needed to process them.  Instead we process most of the worlds supply in a

small area to maximize efficiency of that equipment.  So it is with most

crops. Bananas, strawberries, melons the list goes on. Localized  mass

production.  Without it you can but those wonderful organic crops at 3 times

the price.

 

As the US and the world has grown, so has AG.  The average Midwest farm

feeds over 1600 people.  At a rate they can afford,  and have a huge surplus

to send to other countries.  These men and women at the worlds demand have

figured out the ways to get the most yields possible from every acre of

ground.  Yields per acre are again at all time highs.  Numbers that our

grandfathers never even dreamed of.  

 

In the mean time, a farmer used to make a living on 180 acres in the late

60's  now due to asinine tax laws, and the demand to keep prices low, if

your not farmer 1000 acres you are not capable of making a living at it.  Do

you know what the capitol cost of 1000 acres is?  Right now its around 3

million,  with another million in just BASIC equipment.   Average input cost

of around 279 an acre,  in the hopes of making 350.00 per acre...

 

Would you invest 4 million dollars in the hopes of clearing 80k a year???

And when you do you really believe the goal is to destroy the land????

 

 

Drive down the Sacramento valley sometime.  Head out thru the Midwest and

actually get out of the car and talk to someone.  Should you muster up the

courage, you will find men and women devoting their lives to the land and

crop production,  and one of the most marvelous miracles of the world.  In

the mean time quit treating them like you have the worlds answers and they

are idiots.

 

Sorry if I offend, but real tired of cheap shots directed at those who allow

us to forage our bees on there lands.......and narry a peep of protest.

 

Charles

 

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