"This misses Bill's point entirely.  IPM would be no vaccine, but treat
if the disease shows up.  That was Bill's point.  Bond method would be
do nothing even when disease shows"

For many diseases there is no effective treatment other than trying your best to keep the patient alive until his immune system takes over.  At that point you may have a crippled human (polio) or a patient with cancer (Hep C) or a disfigured or blind human (small pox and other diseases).  Today we can treat HIV and keep it under control.  Will these treatments work for 40 or 50 years?  Probably not.  With ebola we can keep some patients alive until their immune system takes over but still about half die.  Keep that up for a few generations and humans will probably evolve a more effective immune system against ebola at least where is is endemic.  Or the population will drop to the point that transmission is rare.  If you get chickenpox you carry the live virus in your body for as long as you live and shingles is a  common result.  Herpes infections are also life long and can result in cancer.  The alternative is to use available vaccines as prevention and
 develop vaccines for diseases for which we do not have vaccines currently.  From an IPM standpoint more vaccines is bad.  With IPM you do not ever treat to prevent.

I think Mark is very close to correct by saying lack of vaccination when there is a vaccine available is very close to the Bond method.  You kill or cripple the weak and often prevent or reduce reproduction.  Treatment is often a very poor second choice compared to prevention in both diseases and some crop pests.

I suppose we could get rid of neonics and go back to the mercury compounds for seed treatment that were used when I was a kid on the farm.  They were pretty effective.  I seem to recall they were banned due to wild life kills.

Dick
" Any discovery made by the human mind can be explained in its essentials to the curious learner."  Professor Benjamin Schumacher talking about teaching quantum mechanics to non scientists.   "For every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong."  H. L. Mencken


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On Sun, 10/12/14, Aaron Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Editorial on Neonic use
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Date: Sunday, October 12, 2014, 10:09 AM
 
 Regarding " stop
 vaccinations and wait for the diseases to develop"
 Mark Berninghausen wrote: "That isn't
 how IPM works. That's the Bond
 Method."
 
 This misses Bill's point entirely.  IPM
 would be no vaccine, but treat
 if the
 disease shows up.  That was Bill's point.  Bond method
 would be
 do nothing even when disease
 shows
 
 /Aa
 
          
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