This is really silly.  Let Lynne Sebestian reply is she so chooses.  

If you want to discuss the state of archaeology in the context of CRM or
otherwise, do so.

Al Tonetti 

-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fred
McGhee
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian

Since you want to stay there...

Well, what exactly WAS said about her?  Are those things true?  Instead of
acting like offended children stomping on the ground, can we act like adults
and actually EVALUATE what somebody has to say about someone else?  I
imagine the Obama administration did its own evaluation before appointing
her.

flm

On Mar 4, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This is about Lynne and the things that were said about her. You are
entitled to your opinion on the state of the profession. I disagree with you
and feel that perhaps you have a biased perspective.
> 
> Pat Garrow
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred McGhee <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Mar 4, 2013 2:16 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>> 
>> Dear Pat,
>> 
>> Apparently you lack the capacity to refrain from mentioning Lynne
Sebastian's name when discussing this issue.  No disrespect intended, but I
presume that you do have the capacity to divorce the mention of somebody's
name from an argument?
>> 
>> Let me state it now for the THIRD time:  if you wish to have a
conversation about the state of archaeology, historical or otherwise, I
invite such conversation.  Such a conversation on this forum is long
overdue.  You don't have to keep droning on about Lynne Sebastian, Tom King,
or anybody else to have it, though.
>> 
>> You claim to have seen "the practice of archaeology improve significantly
over the years."  You certainly are entitled to that perspective, and in a
narrow technical sense I somewhat agree with you.  But any claim about the
quality of archaeology performed in this country, especially in the private
sector, has to be informed with the experiences of Native Americans and
African Americans in particular.  When I compare the archaeology conducted
on (and especially BY) African Americans and Native Americans in 1976 with
the archaeology conducted in 2013, I see many gains, a few losses, but also
disconcerting amounts of backsliding.
>> 
>> flm
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 4, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no idea what Fred McGhee is talking about. I have been active in
cultural resource management in a private consulting setting since 1976, and
I have seen the practice of archaeology improve significantly over the
years. One very positive trend that has grown and matured is an attempt by
professional archaeologists to communicate with the public and to take the
concerns and wishes of stakeholders into account. That has strengthened--not
weakened. 
>>> 
>>> It is extremely easy to attack any professional whether you have a basis
for it or not. Some in our profession and some stakeholders have done that
as a device to attract attention to themselves. People are always quick to
believe the worst about anyone. 
>>> 
>>> The attack on Lynne is unjustified. Purely and simply, it is
unjustified. 
>>> 
>>> Pat Garrow
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Fred McGhee <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Mar 4, 2013 11:24 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>>>> 
>>>> Let me take the lead.
>>>> 
>>>> In discussing some of the political economy behind what I and others
perceive to be the diminishing role of meaningful archaeology over the past
few years, it may be useful to develop an understanding of how government
contracting actually works, particularly the relationships between the
"design build" process and state legislatures.  I am talking about
consortiums that include global construction companies, investment banks,
private-equity firms, and engineering firms that play an increasing role in
the construction of much of the country's infrastructure, and that furnishes
employment for archaeologists and other environmental professionals.
>>>> 
>>>> Within the environmental and archaeological consulting fields, it has
led to mergers and acquisitions (as well as rebranding), trends that appear
to be around to stay.  Simply put, archaeology these days appears to be more
about the appearance of clearance documentation and legally sufficient
professional opinions than about the public interest.  Those of us in the
private sector have long known about these trends, but for some reason can't
or won't talk about the obvious implications of these developments or the
scope and scale of the problem.  It thus falls to people impacted by these
schemes--often Native Americans and African Americans--to ring the alarm
about some of these things.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2012/1112bondgraham.html
>>>> 
>>>> flm
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 4, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to add my support to Lynn's nomination as well. Lynn is a
top professional who has both the knowledge and judgment to make a positive
contribution to the mission of the ACHP. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: "King, Julia" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Mar 2, 2013 11:11 AM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear HISTARCHers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to second Ian Burrow's statement of confidence in Lynne 
>>>>>> Sebastian's appointment to the Advisory Council on Historic 
>>>>>> Preservation. This is great news for archaeology, for historic
preservation, and for the ACHP.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Having done my time on the ACHP cross, I know first-hand that it 
>>>>>> is a body of very diverse interests and expertise. As an "Expert 
>>>>>> Member," Lynne Sebastian brings the expertise of archaeology to 
>>>>>> the table and, while I don't know Lynne as well as Ian does, I 
>>>>>> know her well enough to know that President Obama has made an 
>>>>>> excellent choice. Lynne will serve us extremely well, as she has 
>>>>>> done in so many leadership positions, including as president of SAA
and RPA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tribal interests and voices have long been a concern for the 
>>>>>> Council. At least one member selected by the President must be a 
>>>>>> member of an Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization. The
immediate past chair, John L.
>>>>>> Nau, and the current chair, Wayne Donaldson, have, in my 
>>>>>> experience, made tribal participation hallmarks of their 
>>>>>> leadership, and the ACHP has been the better for it. Indeed, ACHP 
>>>>>> has an Office of Native American Affairs that is one of the better
such offices anywhere in Federal government.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can read more about the composition of the membership at this
link:
>>>>>> http://www.achp.gov/members.html.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie King


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