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This is exactly where it loses me. You can get the measurement if you are riding on the train, and you can get the measurement if you are riding on the beam of light. So where's the problem?
eric
On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Tom Lesser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Einstein’s mind experiment (Gedanken Experiment) of riding on a beam of light, looking at the light, and seeing a stationary local maximum.
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> Okay, I’ll give it a try although simplifying theoretical physics is usually a fool’s errand…
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> Let’s try a simpler Gedanken Experiment. Imagine you are standing still on a train platform and as the train is going by you are looking at the seats in the cars. This train however never ends, its length is infinity. From the platform if you try to measure (for instance with a tape measure) the seats you have set yourself to an impossible since no one seat stops for you to measure it. [The various mathematical functions of the seat cannot be determined by you.]
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> Now, get on the train. You and the train (Einstein and the beam of light) are moving at the same speed. Take out a tape measure and you have no problem taking measurements [mathematical functions] of the seat.
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> So in very simplistic terms, our theory of trains [electromagnetic theory] states that since you are always standing on the platform looking at the passing train, you cannot measure the height of the seat (or anything else) so the seat [like electromagnetism] has no maximum characteristics [mathematical functions].
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> However, if you get on the train, you would be able to measure the seat. Now if theory states you can never measure the seat and yet you realize that under very special conditions you can measure the seat, there is either something wrong with the theory or it does not apply to the train.
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> If Einstein’s Gedanken Experiment was correct and while riding along with a beam of light he could determine light’s mathematical functions, then either the theory of electromagnetism was incorrect, or there was something special about light so it did not adhere to the theory of electromagnetism. The latter is the case.
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> Best I can do.
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> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Sarah Gruber wrote:
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>> Yes, please explain!
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>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Eric Siegel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> can anyone explain this to me in terms that I, a layperson, might understand? Alan Friedman, are you there? I have always heard the "riding on a beam of light" thought experiment, but don't understand the "stationary local maximum" bit.
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>>> thanks in advance
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>>> eric siegel
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>>> "Einstein, somewhere around 12 or 14, asked himself the question, ``What would a light wave look like if I went with the velocity of light to look at it?'' Now he knew that electromagnetic theory says you cannot have a stationary local maximum. But if he moved along with the velocity of light, he would see a local maximum. He could see a contradiction at the age of 12, 14, or somewhere around there, that everything was not right and that the velocity of light had something peculiar."
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