What I've got that I can find easily:
1785: "lugares comunes," in the convento, apparently the same room that has a drain running from the well to the acequia. At San Jose y San Miguel de Aguayo.
1772: "lugar de la cecreta necesidad" next to the chicken coop in the second courtyard. At Nuestra Senora de Purisima Concepcion.
1772: "un Ambito de cinco varas y media de Larga y tres de ancho techado de vigas mezcla y Ladrillo: en el que hay dos hazientos dezentes, y onestos, para las necesidades comunes tapados con sus mantas de guangoche." Under the stairway of the convento at San Francisco de la Espada.
Others are frequent, I just don't remember where the references are.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Brooke Kenline <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi! *Lugares* could be translated as *locations*, but probably more
> accurately as *places (*splitting hairs here*).* While *lugares *could be
> any type of space, *lugares privados *are private places which could be a
> euphemism for a privy and might be shortened to *lugares *in the right
> context. The use of the word *privativos* is interesting as it usually
> refers to somewhere or something *exclusive*, such as a privy or space that
> could only be used by certain persons. Hope this helps.
>
> Brooke Kenline
> University of South Carolina
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Mark Howe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Talking to my professionals here, "lugares" means Location. So, going to
> > look at this some more from my point here. We deal with Mexico all along
> > the border on US State Dept. matters and much of what I am working on deals
> > with homesteads all along the Rio Grande or from El Paso to the Pacific.
> > Strange thing is, we manage the Sewer treatment plants along the border!
> > So, waste or water is my business.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark L Howe
> > Cultural Resources Specialist
> > International Boundary and Water Commission, IBWC.gov
> > 4171 North Mesa, Suite C-100
> > El Paso, Texas 79902-1441
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> > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:44:34 -0700
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Lugares
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > What do you think - in a documented and known to be in use at that time
> > as a KITCHEN?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jake Ivey
> > > To: Susan Walter
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:14 AM
> > > Subject: Lugares
> > >
> > >
> > > Susan:
> > > I have descriptions from 18th c. mission inventories that refer to
> > latrines as "lugares privativos" and "lugares de necesario privativo,"
> > approximately -- I'm not sure I'm remembering the Spanish exactly. In
> > general, "lugares" would probably be a short-hand reference to a privy.
> > >
> > > Jake
> > >
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