Amanda- you have to do that for yourself- just as you got on the list to begin with.
-Cami
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> On Aug 28, 2014, at 6:31 PM, "Amanda O'Neill" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Take me off of this email list, please.
>
> On Thursday, August 28, 2014, Jerry Schaefer <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your comments. I sense some tongue-in-cheek. The new Kennewick
>> report is remarkable and a "Eurasian" affinity is certainly well argued and
>> quite credible via Beringia. Other prehistoric circumpolar access has also
>> been hypothesized and worthy of consideration. Maritime visits from later
>> historic civilizations is another matter. Yes, do read the article on
>> medieval Islamic exploration and see what you think. I want to see good
>> empirical evidence, though, so "show me the money". I am open to even
>> marginal ideas but so far I am not convinced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Schaefer, Ph.D., RPA
>> Director
>> ASM Affiliates • Carlsbad, CA
>> (760) 804-5757
>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>> Website: www.asmaffiliates.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] On
>> Behalf Of Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:04 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>> Subject:
>>
>> Jerry, do I sense a certain skepticism regarding pre-Columbian, non-Viking
>> visitors to the Americas? Have you not read the recent news releases about
>> the conclusions regarding Kennewick Man? Polynesian or Ainu or Jomon?
>> As I told a colleague who, like me, works in the Southwest, what if we
>> were to find out that Zuni, that orphan language among the Pueblos, was
>> actually an ancient Arabic dialect? Wouldn't we feel silly?
>> (I recommend Nancy Davis's "The Zuni Enigma" for an argument that is both
>> forceful and . . . um . . . fanciful that Zuni culture has its origins in
>> Japan, which means they came through California, your neck of the woods.
>> But don't pay a new-book price for it.) And let's not forget Phoenicians --
>> we have Phoenician rock art here in New Mexico. Or so I'm told. I've seen
>> photos but have never actually been to the site. Perhaps when I retire . . .
>> In any case, I might not have been as interested in Muslims in the
>> Americas if the abstract hadn't mentioned that the notion has some purchase
>> in the modern Muslim world. Southwestern archaeologists are doing a lot of
>> exploring various narratives, including our own, these days so I was caught
>> by that aspect of the abstract.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jeffrey L. Boyer, RPA
>> Supervisory Archaeologist/Project Director Office of Archaeological
>> Studies, Museum of New Mexico
>>
>> * The Center for New Mexico Archaeology
>> * PO Box 2087
>> * Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
>> * tel: 505.476.4426
>> * e-mail: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>>
>> "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he has a
>> raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure." -- Mark Twain,
>> The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] on behalf
>> of Jerry Schaefer [[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:42 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>> Subject:
>>
>> I have heard these claims before incidentally while doing Islamic
>> archaeology and it can be amusing to see how they are argued. There are
>> claims of pre-Columbian visits to the New World by Chinese, Africans, and
>> let's not forget the ancient Hebrews. The only archaeologically
>> substantiated pre-Columbian visits are by Norsemen, I believe. There has
>> been an interesting theory for some time that ancient Lake Cahuilla in
>> California was Azatlan in the Aztec creation story too, thereby justifying
>> Mexican claims to California.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Schaefer, Ph.D., RPA
>> Director
>> ASM Affiliates • Carlsbad, CA
>> (760) 804-5757
>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>> Website: www.asmaffiliates.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Skiles
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:03 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>> Subject:
>>
>> Jeffrey,
>>
>> You're NOT alone ... I confess that not only am I not up on the need for a
>> reinterpretation of such "claims" ... I wasn't even aware of the existence
>> of any such in the first place!
>>
>> Bob Skiles, RPA
>>
>> PS - now that I'm retired, I have a bit more time for enjoyable pursuits
>> like reading fiction ... if you should later snag a PDF, please favor me a
>> copy via e-mail ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/28/2014 1:54 PM, Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA wrote:
>>> (With my sincere apologies for cross-posting) I am intrigued by the
>> content of this article. This is a topic to which I have never before been
>> exposed, which perhaps reveals considerable parochialism on my part. My
>> first response, then, was "What the heck?" Now I'm trying to decide whether
>> to spend the money to access the article (I'm not a subscriber to the
>> journal) because the topic just seems so fascinating. Am I the only one who
>> isn't up on this?
>>>
>>> "Far Beyond the Western Sea of the Arabs...": Reinterpreting Claims
>>> about Pre-Columbian Muslims in the Americas
>>>
>>> Richard V. Francaviglia
>>> Terrae Incognitae, Vol. 46, No. 2: 103-138.
>>>
>>> http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/0082288414Z.00000000033?ai=
>>> 16h&ui=1yc&af=T
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Jeffrey L. Boyer, RPA
>>> Supervisory Archaeologist/Project Director Office of Archaeological
>>> Studies, Museum of New Mexico
>>>
>>> * The Center for New Mexico Archaeology
>>> * PO Box 2087
>>> * Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
>>> * tel: 505.476.4426
>>> * e-mail: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>>>
>>> "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he
>>> has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure." --
>>> Mark Twain, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
>
>
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> Amanda O'Neill
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