Ok Al,
Thanks.
I'm done with this thread...
Happy holidays.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Tonetti" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site


> All I'm saying is that if they can afford it, do the geophysics.  I assume
> they want to know if the site contains subsurface features.  If they do, I
> think the geophysics will save time and money, i.e., can they afford NOT 
> to
> do the geophysics?
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Susan
> Walter
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Agreed.  It seemed to me that the original question was about wanting to
> know what the plow effect most likely had been.
>
> If I had posted this query, I know that since I do not have this type of
> technology readily available to me, your first answer would not have 
> helped.
>
> Kris, in Michigan, may also be trying to get his work completed prior to
> snow.  A problem in Southern California I thankfully don't need to think 
> of!
>
> Susan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Tonetti" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>
>
>> It all depends on what resources you have at your disposal, but if you
>> want
>> to go this route and you don't know when the 80 ac field will be plowed
>> again, see if you can get only the two loci of interest in the field
>> plowed,
>> let them weather (and hope that collectors don't beat you to the site),
>> and
>> do the CSC on a 5- or 10-m grid, again depending on your resources.  At
>> some
>> point you'll have to dig to confirm any hypotheses you develop concerning
>> the location of the cabin(s), etc.  Geophysics is a good tool to narrow
>> your
>> focus, but it all depends on your resources.
>>
>> Al Tonetti
>> Cultural Resource Specialist
>> ASC Group, Inc.
>> 800 Freeway Drive North, Suite 101
>> Columbus, OH 43229
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Susan
>> Walter
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>>
>> I agree, thanks for your reply.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Branstner, Mark C" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>>
>>
>> Susan,
>>
>> That would have been my response as well ... Depending on the timing
>> issues, the cheapest (and as far as I am concerned) the best way to do
>> this is to plow the field after the crops come out, let it weather 
>> through
>> a few rains, and then do a gridded, controlled surface collection (10-m
>> grid seems to work pretty well) ... The significant site areas should be
>> readily discernible with very little cost.
>>
>> Mark
>> ___________________________________
>>
>> Mark C. Branstner, RPA
>> Historic Archaeologist
>>
>> Illinois State Archaeological Survey
>> Prairie Research Institute
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/11 11:04 AM, "Susan Walter" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>Question:  What if this is not affordable?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Al Tonetti" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:11 PM
>>>Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ditch the STPs for a gradiometer survey at the two loci.  For e.g., see
>>>> http://www.ovacltd.com/Geophys_Scofield.shtml.
>>>>
>>>> Al Tonetti
>>>> Cultural Resource Specialist
>>>> ASC Group, Inc.
>>>> 800 Freeway Drive North, Suite 101
>>>> Columbus, OH 43229
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> 614-268-2514 x3547
>>>> http://www.ascgroup.net/
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>>Marty
>>>> Pickands
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:29 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: MI Pioneer cabin site
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Kris-
>>>>
>>>> I have no experience on settler's cabins in Michigan, only in upstate
>>>>New
>>>> York. However, as you are probably aware, many New Yorkers moved on to
>>>> settle in Michigan. The sites I have seen or worked on dated to the
>>>>early
>>>> 19th c. In each case they were located on the highest spot in the area,
>>>>or
>>>> the edge of a drop off, for drainage. Each was surrounded by a thin
>>>>sheet
>>>> refuse deposit with very little glass or metal. The structure was
>>>> represented by a fieldstone footing only two or thee courses deep with
>>>>a
>>>> pit
>>>> cellar 4-5 feet deep in the middle. These were storage spaces under a
>>>> wooden
>>>> floor. Of course, not all cabins had those, but only dirt floors. All
>>>>were
>>>> next to a road, and many had been replaced by a more formal house
>>>>nearby.
>>>>
>>>> There was very little metal. Often these cabins, in our area, had bark
>>>>or
>>>> plank roofs held in place by poles and stones. Most were built by
>>>> immigrants
>>>> from New England after the revolution. One exception was a Prussian
>>>> traditional two-room log house with a formal stone footing, that was
>>>>later
>>>> was moved to a full foundation with a stone-floored cellar and acquired
>>>> clapboard siding, plastered walls and a frame addition, as often
>>>>happened.
>>>> A
>>>> number of these in New York and Pennsylvania are still not only
>>>>standing
>>>> but
>>>> lived in- the owners sometimes unaware that they are living in a log
>>>> house.
>>>> These houses were different from "settler's cabins" even when built by
>>>> settlers, in that they were built to be permanent. Settler's cabins 
>>>> were
>>>> meant to be temporary shelters.
>>>>
>>>> I'd bet on the rise as the house site. The brick is a good sign. The
>>>>metal
>>>> detector would probably not show anything there except an occasional
>>>> button
>>>> or dropped personal item. The other location may be a shed or small 
>>>> barn
>>>> related to it. You might try close interval STPs on that area and the
>>>>one
>>>> where you had the metal hits. Alternatively narrow slit trenches can be
>>>> dug
>>>> with minimal effort into the subsoil to detect soil discolorations that
>>>> STPs
>>>> may miss. They cover more area and do not take a lot more time than
>>>>close
>>>> interval STPs.
>>>>
>>>> Marty Pickands
>>>> New York State Museum
>>>>>>> Kris Oswald 11/21/11 7:47 AM >>>
>>>> Morning to all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just begun site testing(stp work) of a Pioneer cabin site in
>>>> Michigan and have a couple questions if I may, the wheat field that it
>>>> is located in is approx 80 acre's and has not been dragged/ plowed or
>>>> tilled in many years and the wheat for winter is resting a foot high. A
>>>> metal detector survey of the site was done a couple of years back with
>>>> some good results but conflicts with the Families story on where the
>>>> cabin was located.I have brick fragments on the highest elevation as
>>>> well at the lower section closest to original road bed where most of 
>>>> the
>>>> personal artifacts have been recovered. I am looking for any resource
>>>> materials on Michigan Pioneer Cabin Excavation. the concentration
>>>> level's of material from the STP's are light at best, is it possible
>>>> that the only remains of the site are articulated across the field?. I
>>>> feel that until the soil has been turned to expose more surface
>>>> artifact my STP work will take forever. Any thoughts on this? I value
>>>> your opinions
>>>> P.S. not sure when the field will be worked again
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in Advance
>>>>
>>>> Kris Oswald
>>>> Linden Mi
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