> If treating does not work long term then why be so critical of those 
of us who choose to not treat?

I don't know who is being accused of being critical in the hostile sense 
if that is what you mean, but we are experienced, and we are curious and 
we want to know and verify the facts.  Of course facts are few and far 
between and many supposed 'facts' are actual opinion, guesses, shared 
illusions or make-believe..

We test our ideas and test them hard.  The _three times_ I went 
treatment-free or nearly so, I lost _all_ the hives involved around the 
third year, so it is not that we are not  don't look favourably on the 
idea.  It is just that we are experienced and therefore look closely at 
reports from those who claim success , especially those with low 
expectations and/or a short history or a rich imagination.

We know that some seem to be going without treatments, and even on a 
large scale, but we know the odds are against success in any large 
number for more than a few years have been shown in the past to be 
poor.  If a profitable operation is intended, to odds are even less 
favourable.

On BEE-L, we're happy to hear reports, but we look critically at 
everything.

No free rides here.

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