I have filled out two cancellation forms and emailed the site directly to
be removed from HISTARCH over the past month...and yet I am still getting
emails. Any suggestions on how to remove my email from the list?
Siska Williams
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Lewis C Jones <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> Conrad,
> You argue that we should think of the homeless and unemployed as getting
> rid of conferences is needed to preserve jobs, but the fact remains that
> you don't have to go to a conference if you don't want to and if you really
> believe that getting rid of conferences will create jobs then you need to
> show us the research that supports this claim as I don’t tend to feel that
> it is the case. All professions and I consider anthropology a profession
> and not just a job, have conferences to exchange ideas and to get the
> latest information going on in the field. Can we try and provide some of
> this electronically? Yes and it is being done. But technology is not
> something that is altogether user friendly and to have the ability to do
> what you suggest would mean a great amount of money to create the
> infrastructure needed. Are you willing to provide that startup capital?
> Do you have any idea of what it costs to have the technology along with
> the redundancy needed to prevent potential gli
> tches and loss of connectivity that can occur with something as simple as
> a solar flare ? Technology cannot at this time provide the same access for
> large amounts of people to connect as a conference can and does provide. I
> speak on this as someone who worked for over 15 years in IT before going
> back to school to become an anthropologist. I suggest that before you
> condemn us for attending conferences that instead you come up with a viable
> alternative providing research and data that shows that it can be done and
> done economically and without needs to raise hundreds of thousands if not
> millions of dollars to create the dedicated technology that would be needed
> to host such a meeting. Yes the technology does exist but not at a price
> our professional organizations could afford after all we don't have stock
> holders or even a products that generates hundreds of millions of dollars
> that would be needed. If your real complaint is that you don't go to
> conference's because you t
> hink it is too expensive, well then that is a valid argumen!
> t for wh
> y you don't attend, but that doesn't mean you have the right to vilify and
> criticize those of us who save up to go to the few conferences we choose to
> attend. I am not rich by any means and choose where and when to go and
> choose based upon my interests. What we pay for conference attendance is
> actually quite small compared to other professions. My spouse is a
> veterinarian and when she attends a conference she pays for it, sometimes
> her clinic might help with travel, but the bulk of it is on her and as a
> professional she is required to attend conference's as that is where she
> can learn about the newest information for her field and gain continuing
> education -credit. Her cost for just the conference is about 5 - 6 times
> what we pay and I am basing this on the non-student rate. Their hotel costs
> are higher as well and they understand that it is part of being a
> professional. We are not the only profession with conferences, but we are
> one of the few that does try to keep the co
> sts low and look for venues and times that will make it more affordable
> to all. As a student I have paid for my conferences and there are times
> when I have volunteered to help to help lower my costs as well. But in the
> end it is my choice to go or not and no one makes us pay to go to a
> conference it is something we choose to do and in my case I choose to go
> because I feel it allows me to network and become more closely connected
> with current and future colleagues and collaborators on the work we should
> love to do because it is a calling and not a job.
>
>
>
>
>
> Lewis C Jones
> PhD. Candidate IUB / Adjunct Faculty IUPUI
> Indiana University
> Anthropology Department
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> 701 E. Kirkwood Avenue
> Bloomington, IN 47405-7100
> USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of sent
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
>
> Of course you can do what you want- but think of the unemployed, the
> homeless and the needs of the resource before you attend or support
> spending of this magnitude simply to communicate, which can be done easily,
> simply-without great expense.
>
> Why are we creating jobs in the convention and entertainment industry when
> our obligation is to create jobs in archeology and spend our money on our
> obligations to the resource. Absurd!
>
> If you stay away the only losers will be the fat cat hotel and conference
> people-believe me they don’t put THEIR money into archeology!
> Other equally wonderful channels of communication will easily take its
> place- there will be no information lost, Just jobs maintained and
> created- work can be funded, the resource needs addressed- or well then
> you can just have a good time.....go figure...please!
>
> It is far too big a slice of funds available these days to remain so. Our
> public deserves economy. We have to do more with less, we have to do the
> same with less. Cut now before we loose more jobs and opportunities.
>
> Conrad Bladey
> Archeologist
> Peasant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy K. Perttula
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
>
> A lot of time and wasted e-mail ink has been spent discussing this issue.
> It is a professional and personal decision about whether one attends a
> conference like SHA or not. If someone doesn't want to attend, so be it.
>
> It serves no purpose to castigate those that will choose to attend SHA.
> Those that do not intend to come to the conference: fine, we get it, move
> on.
>
> There must be a better historical archaeology thread out there than this.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Davoli <[log in to unmask]>
> To: HISTARCH <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 2:18 pm
> Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
>
> Berating colleagues for attending conferences has yet to eliminate
> conferences.
>
> Some archaeologists choose to belong to organizations funded by the
> collection of dues, others don't. Some BA/BS degree holders choose to
> enroll in a graduate program to earn a higher degree, others don't.
> Some college graduate archaeologists choose a career with private
> contracting firms, others choose a career in government (local, state, or
> federal), and others choose to work in a completely different field.
>
> If one chooses not to attend a conference, is there an expectation that
> others must abide by that choice and not attend?
>
> Liz
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:56:49 -0400, sent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Again sacrificing jobs and research for the feel good of human contact
> >I cant see why this justifies such sacrifice.
> >As you point out the job can be done with electronic communication
> >
> >We owe the public the most inexpensive solution and it has been
> demonstrated
> >that traditional
> >conferencing is the most expensive solution for doing the same thing-
> >communicating and discussing.
> >
> >If you want face to face discover free good and easy skype
> >
> >If you want to exhange papers and even co author them use google docs
> >
> >for recreation and travel- well use your own money- or volunteer to do
> >archeology in a nice setting
> >
> >Easy
> >
> >Conrad Bladey
> >Archeologist
> >Peasant
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [log in to unmask]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:50 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
> >
> >I really have to weigh in here. I know what it was like to attend
> >virtually no conferences early in my career and what it is like to do
> at
> >least two
> >per year now (ACRA and SHA, sometimes SAA). Both my business and my
> >company's work has improved dramatically, with a lot of that due to
> face to
> >face
> >interaction with people in the field. I have picked up many innovative
> >ideas, made many changes in the way that I do work and just became more
> >enthused with archaeology on a regular basis by attending and
> participating
> >(an
> >important component - giving papers, participating in symposia, doing
> >posters, serving the organizations on committees and as officers,
> etc. - I
> >was
> >chair of the 1999 SHA Conference in Salt Lake City).
> >
> >While I have not expected to generate new work from these attendances,
> it
> >has happened over the years. I also have, no doubt, that there have
> been
> >projects we have done that have been the result of farther flung
> >connections made at conferences that I have no idea came from there.
> >
> >Electronic communication is wonderful and a great way to share specific
> >information and keep in touch, but humans are humans. There is no
> >substitute for person to person interaction, body language, interacting
> >with
> multiple
> >people at once, experiencing the book room, personally interacting with
> >people who create posters, the venue and city in which the conference
> is
> >held. Getting to know archaeologists, historians, architectural
> historians
> >and
> >others over the years has enhanced my understanding of and joy in the
> >profession, made my work better, and generated friendships for my wife
> >(also an
> >archaeologist) and myself that I would not trade for all of the
> electronic
> >communications available, hands down.
> >
> >Mike Polk
> >Sagebrush Consultants, L.L.C.
> >Ogden, Utah
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:05:07 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >Exactly it is black and white that is why it is so important. We have
> more
> >ways to promote interaction other than conferencing than ever in
> >history-why are we using this expensive method which takes jobs and
> >detracts from our ability to
> address
> >the research?
> >
> >Communication is communication- all the things you mention can be
> >generated by electronic communication-its easy-
> >
> >It is like people are insisting that we put our postal mail back on
> horses
> >and stage coaches because it feels better- terrible foundation for the
> >argument for communication!
> >
> >
> >Conrad Bladey
> >Archeologist
> >Peasant
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kimberly Wooten
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:36 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
> >
> >That's your black and white argument. I think the flip side being that
> >attendance at conferences generates new ideas, enthusiasm, and
> >professional contacts, all of which lead to funding and preservation
> opportunities, and
> >if I enjoy myself, regardless of the personal finical decisions I
> make to
> >attend a conference (locally or internationally), so much the better.
> VTCs
> >are another option, happen frequently where I work, and are often
> employed
> >in conjunction with professional meetings. The point of my message
> was to
> >be
> >supportive of a peer charged with the task of promoting an important
> >conference. Kimberly
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:10:36 -0400
> >> From: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>
> >> So the fun and travel is worth limiting funding, employment and
> >necessary
> >> conservation and fieldwork?
> >>
> >> Look into the many ways you can do really clear visual and audio
> >> conferencing-free
> >>
> >> Conrad
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance for your prompt response!
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 15, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Kimberly Wooten
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Let me try this again... As archaeologists, it is almost a given
> that
> >> > most of us are not living the high life. I admit it can be a
> financial
> >
> >> > strain on my family to attend a conference, but we choose to do
> this;
> >we
> >> > can't always attend annually and are careful with those meetings
> we do
> >> > attend. The SHA meetings in York, England, several years ago were
> >> > wonderful and nothing can compare to meeting people face-to-face,
> >having
> >> > my enthusiasm for my chosen field renewed by this contact and some
> >> > excellent presentations, all wrapped in the bonus visiting
> beautiful
> >> > places. Technology has its important uses, but its limits as
> well. I
> >for
> >> > one, will be happy to attend the meetings in Quebec City. Kimberly
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 01:17:50 +0000
> >> >> From: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> Subject: Why YOU should come to SHA Quebec 2014
> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >>
> >> >> See the Society for Historical Archaeology’s latest blog, “Why
> YOU
> >> >> should come to Quebec in 2014”
> >> >>
> >http://www.sha.org/blog/index.php/2013/05/why-you-should-come-to-quebec
> >-
> in-2014/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> William Moss
> >> >> Conference Chair / 47th Conference on Historic and Underwater
> >> >> Archaeology Président du Comité organisateur / 47e Colloque sur
> >> >> l'archéologie historique et subaquatique
> >> >> www.sha2014.com<http://www.sha2014.com/>
> >> >
>
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