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To what Jonah said, the only metals we add to H2 balloons are powdered iron and copper. We also add these metals to the lycopodium powder throw.
Jeff Rosenblatt
Director, Science City
Union Station Kansas City, Inc.
30 W. Pershing Rd. Suite 850
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Office: 816-460-2218
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Isabel,
Rather than cupric chloride or cupric sulfate... go with straight powdered copper. You need a tiny, tiny amount to get the hydrogen balloon explosion to turn green. A pea-sized amount is WAY too much.
Using one of those narrow chemical spatulas, just a bit of copper on the very tip is all you need to put in the balloon before adding H2. And my bottle from Flinn Scientific lists (in addition to the fact that powdered metals are fire + explosion risk) copper as irritant to body tissue as dust. With the miniscule amount you need here, it should all burn up. (Wear gogfgles + follow all safety protocols, of course!)
Also, consider Strontium chloride. You'll need more powder than copper (still less than a pea-sized amount, though) and may have to crush it up to get it powdered (it soaks up moisture like a frickin' sponge)... and it turns the H2 explosion into a brilliant scarlet.
Good luck,
Jonah Cohen
Outreach & Public Programs Manager
The Children's Museum
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Hello all,
I'm doing a magic-themed live science show and I want to make blue- or green-tinted fire for "dragon's flame." I'm planning to use cupric chloride or cupric sulfate. I have those two chemicals in solid form, but the MSDS informs me that neither one is flammable as a solid. Thus I need to get them in solution, probably in alcohol (though maybe water would work?).
The tricky bit is that rather than sprinkling the copper on an open flame, I want to use it with a hydrogen balloon. I've exploded lots of those, so in and of themselves they aren't a problem, but I'm a bit wary of adding alcohol to the Hindenburg.
Can anyone out there let me know the proportion of cupric chloride and/or cupric sulfate to alcohol (isopropyl? ethyl?), and any safety tips? I've seen this done before, so I know it's possible!
Thanks,
Isabel
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ScienceWorks Hands-On Museum
Ashland, OR
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