More great info, thanks!
Feeling guilty about getting all this information for free, I plan to renew
my lapsed SHA membership again after I get paid at the end of this month.
Anyone else?
al
Allen Dart, RPA, Executive Director (Volunteer)
Old Pueblo Archaeology Center
PO Box 40577
Tucson AZ 85717-0577 USA
520-798-1201
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a USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service cultural resources specialist
who volunteers his time to Old Pueblo. Views expressed in Old Pueblo
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U.S. Department of Agriculture or of the United States.
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-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob
Skiles
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CiTro Cobalt Blue Bottle
Al,
This might be pretty obvious (and not need mentioning ... but just in
case... I'll go ahead and say it), but the oval enclosing the CITRO
embossing on the bottles is doubtlessly meant to represent the outline of a
lemon, the CITRO logo (which you see clearly depicted on the counter
dispenser), and LIKELY also to be the reason the "G" encircling the "M" in
the mark is difficult to discern as a capital "G" ...
precisely because it was "stretched-out" into an oval-shape, also meant to
represent the outline of a lemon.
Best regards,
Bob
On 7/14/2016 11:38 AM, Bob Skiles wrote:
>
> M within a G....Maryland Glass Corporation, Baltimore, Maryland
> (1907-c. 1970s). This mark is confirmed to exist on the base of a
> cobalt blue rectangular "2 oz" marked bottle, with vertical ribbing on
> the front; probably an iodine or poison bottle. Also seen on the base
> of a cobalt "Perfection Ginger Ale, Brooklandwood Springs Company,
> Baltimore, MD" bottle. (Thanks to Ken Previtali for the information on
> the ginger ale bottle!) The "G" is very similar in appearance to a
> horizontally oriented oval. Because of it's presence on the
> Brooklandwood Springs bottle, I consider this to be virtual proof that
> this particular mark was indeed used by Maryland, although only in
> rare instances as compared to their "M inside a circle
>
<http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/m-within-a-circle-maryland-glass-corporatio
n/>"
> mark which was normally used.
>
> http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/bottlemarks-4/
>
>
> On 7/14/2016 10:34 AM, Al Dart wrote:
>> Thanks Bill!
>>
>> The Bottle Research Group's information suggests that the Citro
>> bottle was manufactured by the Michigan Glass Co. rather than the
Maryland Glass Corp.
>> as suggested by Bob Skiles. As shown in the fifth photo link included
>> in my previous email, the logo on the Citro bottle base is clearly
>> embossed, without any signs of slippage or incomplete stamping, so
>> does not appear to me to have been poorly stamped. If the Bottle
>> Research Group has other examples of this same logo featuring the
>> stylized G enclosing the M attributed to the Michigan firm, I'd have
>> to conclude that this particular Citro bottle was manufactured by
Michigan Glass Co.
>>
>> Bottle Research Group is welcome to use my photos in its listings.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> al
>>
>> Allen Dart, RPA, Executive Director (Volunteer) Old Pueblo
>> Archaeology Center PO Box 40577 Tucson AZ 85717-0577 USA
>> 520-798-1201
>> [log in to unmask]
>> www.oldpueblo.org
>>
>> Disclosure: Old Pueblo Archaeology Center's Executive Director Allen
>> Dart is a USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service cultural
>> resources specialist who volunteers his time to Old Pueblo. Views
>> expressed in Old Pueblo Archaeology Center communications do not
>> necessarily represent views of the U.S. Department of Agriculture or of
the United States.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> William Lockhart
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:28 AM To:[log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: CiTro Cobalt Blue Bottle
>>
>> Hi Al & All,
>>
>>
>> The Bottle Research Group has not yet completed the "Other M" section
>> of the Encyclopedia of Manufacturer's Marks on Glass Containers (the
>> SHA site you noted in your message), but below is what it will
>> eventually be. The monogram on the fruit jars is identical with the one
on your soda bottle.
>>
>>
>> Let me know if you want or need the individual citations.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Bill Lockhart
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>>
>> MG monogram (1911-1916)
>>
>> An MG monogram was embossed on the base of machine-made fruit
>> jars that had "MICHIGAN MASON" embossed on the side. Roller
>> (1983:251) noted that there were also variations with no monogram on
>> the base. He claimed that the jars were made by the Michigan Glass
>> Co., Saginaw, "c. 1910s." Creswick
>> (1987b:95) agreed but dated the company 1911-1916. She also listed
>> other jars with the MG monogram. The dates we discovered were ca.
>> 1914-ca. 1917 - very close to those of Creswick. The Roller update
>> (2011:375) added historic details (see below) and noted that the jars
>> were made in both shoulder and bead seal versions with three variations:
>>
>> 1. "MICHIGAN MASON" on side; no basal embossing 2. "MICHIGAN MASON"
>> on side; MG monogram on base 3. No side embossing: MG monogram on
>> base
>>
>> Allen Dart also described a cobalt blue bowling-pin soda bottle
>> embossed "CITRO / THE THIRST QUENCHER / BROOKLANDWOOD SPRINGS CO. /
>> BALTO MD" in a round plate; "REGISTERED" on the front heel; and the
>> MG monogram on the base (Figures ? & ?).
>>
>> Manufacturer
>>
>> Michigan Glass Co., Saginaw, Michigan (1911-1916)
>>
>> Roller (2011:375) noted that the Michigan Glass Co. incorporated
>> in February 1911, with Frederick Buck as president, Fred C. Simon as
>> vice president, and C.H. Brand as secretary and general manager -
>> with a location at 1401 Wheeler St. George Grant, Jr., replaced
>> Simon in 1913. Although the firm was last listed in the city
>> directory in 1916, the Thomas Registers continued it as a fruit jar
>> manufacturer from 1914 to 1917 (Thomas Publishing Co. 1914:3010;
>> 1915:3387; 1916:3782; 1917:4104). It should be noted, however, that the
Thomas Registers frequently missed closings.
>> Creswick (1987b:160) agreed with a range of 1911-1916.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY<[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Al Dart
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:08:50 PM To:[log in to unmask]
>> Subject: CiTro Cobalt Blue Bottle
>>
>> Hi HistArchers,
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for company and dating information on a cobalt blue,
>> machine-finished soda (or other beverage) bottle with crown-cap lip
>> and this embossed label:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CITRO
>>
>>
>> THE THIRST QUENCHER
>>
>>
>> BROOKLANDWOOD SPRINGS CO.
>>
>>
>> BALTO MD.
>>
>>
>> REGISTERED
>>
>> (The T in CITRO is about twice as large as the other letters in the
>> name.)
>>
>> A logo on the bottle base (maker's mark?) is a capital M inside of
>> either a G or a C (which I can't find in Toulouse's Bottle Makers and
>> Their Marks book or in the SHA's
>> http://www.sha.org/bottle/makersmarks.htm#Bottlemakersmarks site),
>> above the numeral 2.
>>
>> Photos:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%201.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%202.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%203.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%204.JPG
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32727110/Citro%20base.JPG
>>
>> Several of these bottles are listed on eBay but I'm looking for info
>> about the Citro company and the bottle's age and maker's mark. All
>> help appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> al
>>
>> Allen Dart, RPA, Executive Director (Volunteer) Old Pueblo
>> Archaeology Center PO Box 40577 Tucson AZ 85717-0577 USA
>> 520-798-1201
>> [log in to unmask]
>> www.oldpueblo.org<http://www.oldpueblo.org>
>>
>>
>> Disclosure: Old Pueblo Archaeology Center's Executive Director Allen
>> Dart is a USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service cultural
>> resources specialist who volunteers his time to Old Pueblo. Views
>> expressed in Old Pueblo Archaeology Center communications do not
>> necessarily represent views of the U.S. Department of Agriculture or of
the United States.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
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