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On Thursday, August 28, 2014, Jerry Schaefer <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Thanks for your comments. I sense some tongue-in-cheek. The new Kennewick
> report is remarkable and a "Eurasian" affinity is certainly well argued and
> quite credible via Beringia. Other prehistoric circumpolar access has also
> been hypothesized and worthy of consideration. Maritime visits from later
> historic civilizations is another matter. Yes, do read the article on
> medieval Islamic exploration and see what you think. I want to see good
> empirical evidence, though, so "show me the money". I am open to even
> marginal ideas but so far I am not convinced.
>
>
>
> Jerry Schaefer, Ph.D., RPA
> Director
> ASM Affiliates • Carlsbad, CA
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
> Subject:
>
> Jerry, do I sense a certain skepticism regarding pre-Columbian, non-Viking
> visitors to the Americas? Have you not read the recent news releases about
> the conclusions regarding Kennewick Man? Polynesian or Ainu or Jomon?
> As I told a colleague who, like me, works in the Southwest, what if we
> were to find out that Zuni, that orphan language among the Pueblos, was
> actually an ancient Arabic dialect? Wouldn't we feel silly?
> (I recommend Nancy Davis's "The Zuni Enigma" for an argument that is both
> forceful and . . . um . . . fanciful that Zuni culture has its origins in
> Japan, which means they came through California, your neck of the woods.
> But don't pay a new-book price for it.) And let's not forget Phoenicians --
> we have Phoenician rock art here in New Mexico. Or so I'm told. I've seen
> photos but have never actually been to the site. Perhaps when I retire . . .
> In any case, I might not have been as interested in Muslims in the
> Americas if the abstract hadn't mentioned that the notion has some purchase
> in the modern Muslim world. Southwestern archaeologists are doing a lot of
> exploring various narratives, including our own, these days so I was caught
> by that aspect of the abstract.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeffrey L. Boyer, RPA
> Supervisory Archaeologist/Project Director Office of Archaeological
> Studies, Museum of New Mexico
>
> * The Center for New Mexico Archaeology
> * PO Box 2087
> * Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
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> "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he has a
> raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure." -- Mark Twain,
> The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] on behalf
> of Jerry Schaefer [[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:42 PM
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> I have heard these claims before incidentally while doing Islamic
> archaeology and it can be amusing to see how they are argued. There are
> claims of pre-Columbian visits to the New World by Chinese, Africans, and
> let's not forget the ancient Hebrews. The only archaeologically
> substantiated pre-Columbian visits are by Norsemen, I believe. There has
> been an interesting theory for some time that ancient Lake Cahuilla in
> California was Azatlan in the Aztec creation story too, thereby justifying
> Mexican claims to California.
>
>
>
> Jerry Schaefer, Ph.D., RPA
> Director
> ASM Affiliates • Carlsbad, CA
> (760) 804-5757
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Bob Skiles
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:03 PM
> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
> Subject:
>
> Jeffrey,
>
> You're NOT alone ... I confess that not only am I not up on the need for a
> reinterpretation of such "claims" ... I wasn't even aware of the existence
> of any such in the first place!
>
> Bob Skiles, RPA
>
> PS - now that I'm retired, I have a bit more time for enjoyable pursuits
> like reading fiction ... if you should later snag a PDF, please favor me a
> copy via e-mail ;)
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2014 1:54 PM, Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA wrote:
> > (With my sincere apologies for cross-posting) I am intrigued by the
> content of this article. This is a topic to which I have never before been
> exposed, which perhaps reveals considerable parochialism on my part. My
> first response, then, was "What the heck?" Now I'm trying to decide whether
> to spend the money to access the article (I'm not a subscriber to the
> journal) because the topic just seems so fascinating. Am I the only one who
> isn't up on this?
> >
> > "Far Beyond the Western Sea of the Arabs...": Reinterpreting Claims
> > about Pre-Columbian Muslims in the Americas
> >
> > Richard V. Francaviglia
> > Terrae Incognitae, Vol. 46, No. 2: 103-138.
> >
> > http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/0082288414Z.00000000033?ai=
> > 16h&ui=1yc&af=T
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Jeffrey L. Boyer, RPA
> > Supervisory Archaeologist/Project Director Office of Archaeological
> > Studies, Museum of New Mexico
> >
> > * The Center for New Mexico Archaeology
> > * PO Box 2087
> > * Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
> > * tel: 505.476.4426
> > * e-mail: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
> >
> > "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he
> > has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure." --
> > Mark Twain, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
> >
>
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Amanda O'Neill
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