I strongly resent that remark about Arkansas clays possibly being 
inferior harumph harumph harumph. The Acme Brick Co. of Malvern is 
churning out kaziillions of bricks at this very minute, and there are 
brick piers and chimneys at the current location of Arkansas Post (AP 
National Memorial) dating to the late Spanish period. Some of the 
ugliest 20th century dishes ever made were spewn out by the Camark 
factory in Camden into the 1950s--hope it mostly goes into bottomless 
land fills, myself.  So if folks wanted bricks in my fair state they 
could have had them. For example, the Taylor family at Hollywood 
Plantation on Bayou Bartholomew in Drew Co (edge of Gulf Coastal 
Plain) had a room-sized brick walled basement, brick piers, brick 
chimney, etc. that likely date to the building of the 2 story log 
house that has been dendro-dated to 1843.  So there!

09:25 AM 8/6/2012, you wrote:
>Pete,
>
>Interesting.  Here in the Black Belt of Alabama , we have no rock either,
>but they were making brick before they were able to set up saw mills to make
>clapboards.  So our early townsite (c. 1819, 1820) had only log cabins and
>brick buildings and probably some brick piers & chimneys.  Of course wood
>piers and wood chimneys were used in the region also, but  I am curious why
>ya'll aren't mentioning brick piers and chimneys.  Was the local clay not
>suitable for bricks?  Just curious.
>
>
>Linda Derry
>Site Director
>Old Cahawba
>719 Tremont St.
>Selma, AL 36701
>ph. 334/875-2529
>fax. 334/877-4253
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete
>Gregory
>Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:47 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Bois d'Arc Log Foundation
>
>I'm sort of following up on Skip Abernathey. I agree it's good you are
>dealing with standing structures. He is right about the La. flatlands
>(floodplains) which are virtually rockless! Still people werre still
>building "cat" (balls of mud and moss) and "rabbit" (rabets or slats of
>split wood and sticks) chimneys here in the 1960's. That was about the end
>of it. There are very few left to see that were done correctly.
>The lower sills sat on the wooden blocks which had sill wide tops and
>rapered away from the sills towards the bottoms so as not to rot the blocks
>with water accumulations. Sandstone block was hauled for miles and were
>preferred where they could get them. Sandstone was the only large stone
>available. Rarely fireplaces were stone chimneys also. The fireplaces had
>mud walls and floors, I've seen one made in a arc with a crosscut saw mailed
>to hold up the arc! The pinning occurred more commonly in the very early
>piece sur piece hewn log cabins built by the French here and in Canada. The
>logs in the walls were pinned in several places.
>      There is a dissertation at LSU Baton Rouge by Martin Wright titled Log
>Culture in North La. as I recall.
>It was done in the 1950's and shows the variety and complexity of both
>double pen and single pen structures hereabouts (Winn Parish). It might
>really help you out. You might try the Canadians ot Jay Edwards fot
>information on French log structures.
>       Pete Gregory     Northwestern State University, Natchitoches, LA.
>
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>From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Leslie C.
>"Skip" Stewart-Abernathy [[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:15 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Bois d'Arc Log Foundation
>
>I'm delighted y'all are working around standing structures--so much data
>available. I'm impressed that y'all's sills are pinned together--a nice
>touch. The sandstone chimney sounds great, too.  Too often that and some
>vague patterns of piers are left, and then somebody swipes the chimney
>stones for a patio.  I've only seen a few mud cat chimneys and only in the
>flattish parts of Arkansas but there is pretty good documentation of them
>being used at least to begin with in the bumpy parts, too.  To my knowledge,
>there are no surviving first generation rough built log cabins with plank
>roofs of course, though there  are illustrations.
>
>Following up on Linda Derry (who needs  photos?! when we're dealing with the
>tiny sample of surviving wooden structures from the 19th and early 20th
>centuries--it's all speculation about what "typical" was), I agree with
>(about anything) she says. As for Arkansas, we have two major regions for
>architectural materials for local builders to use before the RR comes in
>after the 1870s. These are the bumpy parts of the Ozark and Ouachita uplands
>where slabs of sandstone and/or limestone are conveniently poking out of the
>ground somewhere nearby, and the flattish to dead flat Gulf Coastal Plain
>and Mississippi Delta where there's nought but gravel (both areas offer
>clays for bricks if one is up scale). However, the varieties of forms of
>structures actually built (for which there is evidence) can be found
>anywhere across the state.
>
>So one usually sees upland structures (house and outbuildings) sitting on
>stone piers, and lowland structures on wood blocks (cypress and locust
>--can't remember seeing oaks really) or replacement brick and later pre-cast
>concrete piers. In either region, one sees sills and joists of rough hewn
>logs or massive circular sawn dimensional (sort of) lumber (steam-powered
>circular saws were available state-wide after 1840).  There is often
>variation within farmsteads based on function of structure with house
>getting most substantial, although outbuildings built after the house and
>first generation outbuildings may actually have better piers and wood "under
>carriage".
>
>Above the support structure anything in wood is possible to find in any
>region: all log, post and beam, balloon frame (various versions), even box
>frame (no studs), and of course combinations as houses or outbuildings get
>added rooms or work spaces. And in about any form from single pen to open
>central passage to whatever.
>
>And yes, bodark evidently had it's last refuge in a small region in NE Texas
>and into the nearby Ouachitas in Arkansas.  According to David Jurney as
>elaborated by Frank Schambach (the tie to the bodark bow trade is
>significant), the huge "horse apple" fruits were inedible after the decline
>of the megafauna and thus the seeds for replacement trees were not being
>distributed naturally any more.  So the range was becoming more and more
>restricted until 19th century folks started shipping seeds around.
>
>This is likely way more than you wanted, but one of my favorite things to do
>always has been to explore farmsteads. I've been fortunate to have been
>doing it for about 50 years now.  Thanks for the chance to babble.
>
>
>
>
>At 03:51 PM 8/2/2012, you wrote:
> >We are currently conducting excavations at a farmstead site here in
> >North Texas around a structure constructed around 1870. The structure
> >associated with this farmstead, was an ell-shaped 3 room house. It
> >utilized bois d'archalf notched logs as the beams for the foundation,
> >and each log was held at the corners with a wood pin through the
> >notches. the logs rest on bois d'arcpiers, and it has a sandstone rock
> >chimney, that was repaired in the early 20th century with brick and
> >eventually phased out for a gas stove.  Resting perpendicular to the
> >logs, were joists that were nailed with square-cut nails to the logs.
> >Then tongue and grove floorboards were nailed to the joists with
> >square-cut nails. The structure itself was  frame.  As of right now we
> >are aware of a second structure that utilized a similar foundation
> >nearby, however they seem to be fairly unique. We were wondering if
> >anyone else has encountered this type of foundation before or maybe
> >able to look as some photos and provide insight.
> >
> >We also had some general questions that pertain to this type
> >foundation, we were hoping some might have some insight on.
> >
> >Would a frame house sitting on the above described foundation expected
> >to have a level foundation? This foundation drops 10 cm from the NE
> >corner of one room to the SE corner of the adjacent room. We have some
> >ideas and additional questions, and we would be happy to share some
> >photos in a pdf, off list with anyone who might have some insight into
> >some of the questions we have about the foundation.  Thanks.
> >--
> >Cody S. Davis, RPA
> >Project Manager
> >AR Consultants, Inc.
> >805 Business Parkway
> >Richardson, TX 75081
> >214.368.0478 (office)
> >214.221.1519 (fax)
> >www.arc-digs.com
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Petit Jean Mountain
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