Hi All,

There seem to be 2 of 3 rosaries present, and the beads I'm calling rosary 
beads are associated with them, attached with a crucifix, and do have the 
little wire links.

These particular beads are cuprous, hollow.  They are round.

They are seperated into the decades with 3 sided, elongated ones (also 
cuprous)that seem to have writing on them.

The center shows a suffering Jesus portrait.

There is one crucifix, and one loose, oddly shaped cross (looks almost Art 
Deco).

We also have several glass beads, including seed beads.  We even have 
plastic pony beads from the surface.

And there 3 very unusual flat, discoidal ones that may actually have been 
buttons with wire pin shanks.

I'm just doing the sort after washing, and it will take me awhile to get 
them bagged and tagged so that I can get these beads into an assemblage.

By the way, most of the beads we got at the Aguirre Adobe in SD Old Town (an 
Indian boarding school) were wooden, and for the students.

Thanks all, I appreciate everyone's input.  Please keep em coming, or send 
directly to [log in to unmask]

S. Walter


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karlis Karklins" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: rosaries


>A *lot* has been written on beads. A number of relevant sources are listed
> in the annotated bead bibliographies compiled by Karklins and Sprague that
> are on the Society of Bead Researchers web site:
> http://www.beadresearch.org/Pages/Bead_Bibliography.html
>
> While these bibs are several decades old, they do contain the various 
> major
> reports by myself, Kenneth Kidd, Lyle Stone, and Lester Ross, among 
> others.
> Check them out.
>
> As for distinguishing trade beads from rosary beads, a study I did of 
> beads
> recovered from several sites in Quebec City revealed that what would have
> been considered typical "trade beads" elsewhere, were utilized for 
> rosaries
> there. So, unless the beads are found directly associated with a crucifix,
> it is difficult to segregate sacred from secular use. Lacking the presence
> of a crucifix or a religious medallion, one definite clue is if any beads
> are found on brass or copper links. Contemporary necklaces generally were
> not strung on metal links but on string. So the presence of metal links
> generally indicates rosary use.
>
> Karlis
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Susan Walter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Oh yes...BEADS.   We have them too.  All shapes and sizes.  Has anyone
>> ever done a good illustrated and descriptive study on beads?  And can
>> anything be told about seed beads?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle E. Browning" 
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: rosaries
>>
>>
>> How does on distinguish rosary beads from 17th-18th century glass trade
>> beads? Granted, with a crucifix, it is a given, but otherwise?
>>
>> Lyle Browning, RPA
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Boyer, Jeffrey, DCA wrote:
>>
>>  We have rosary beads from a couple of 19th century households in
>>> north-central New Mexico. We also have a center-piece (is that the 
>>> correct
>>> name?) and part of a crucifix from one of those households. I can 
>>> provide
>>> references if you'd like.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Jeffrey L. Boyer
>>> Supervisory Archaeologist/Project Director
>>> Office of Archaeological Studies, Museum of New Mexico
>>>
>>>  *   mail: P.O. Box 2087, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
>>>  *   physical: 407 Galisteo Street, Suite B-100, Santa Fe, New Mexico
>>> 87501
>>>  *   tel: 505.827.6387 fax: 505.827.3904
>>>  *   e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> "This is no time for archaeologizing . . ." - Amelia Peabody Emerson 
>>> (The
>>> Curse of the Pharoahs, Elizabeth Peters)
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Susan
>>> Walter [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:13 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: rosaries
>>>
>>> Nov. 4, 2011
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'm looking for information about rosaries from the California Missions.
>>> We got 1, perhaps 2, from near the San Juan Capistrano Mission.  I need
>>> pictures or illustrations.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>
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> Karlis


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