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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Martin Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Charley
>
> A major problem is as I tried to express are the different out comes.
> Factual learning is easy but is that what we really want to measure? How do
> you measure ore complex cognitive functions? How do you limit inputs when
> you look at science center visits? To answer your question it wold take
> more money and more bxlls than seems to be available in government these
> days.
>
> Martin where x=a
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Charles Carlson <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
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>> Martin,
>> Thanks so much for posting.  I don't know that I read the memo as such
>> good news as the blogger writes, since early memos aren't included in the
>> links, but hopefully it reflects some softening of a former harder
>> position.   In any case it's a very worthwhile read.
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/memoranda/2013/m-13-17.pdf (also below).
>>
>> I wish we had one major controlled study that demonstrated the longterm
>> benefits on educational achievement, cognitive function, level of success,
>> or STEM choices caused by visiting a science center, or museum that
>> correlated with frequency of visit, subject material presented, and level
>> of engagement.  I don't know what it would take to do it.  Until that
>> happens, informal programs such as museum visits,etc. are at the mercy of
>> hearsay, innuendo, and speculation.
>>
>> It is hard to imagine that in an era of ever tightening resources that
>> there won't be continuous pressure for proven programs (correlated
>> sustained benefits).
>>
>> C
>>
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New York Hall of Science
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