Hi!
I want to thank everybody that responded to my question about the lead
object this morning ...
My first impression was that it looked like an oddball shotgun slug, but
the shape seemed aerodynamically unstable to my eye. I also considered
that it might be some form of saboted round, but again, the shape didn't
seem quite right.
Lyle Browning mentioned at least one Civil War-type round, but I don't
have access to that volume for comparison, but Benjamin Bara provided a
lot of great photos that include a near exact copy of my object:
http://s697.beta.photobucket.com/user/ellenbrs/media/Teschner%20Collath/zim
merbullets1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18
http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/CptCurlFiles/Paradox_and_Bore_Rifles/lancast
er/slug_bore_paradox_cartridges/1122680.jpg
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=109526&page=0&fpar
t=all&vc=1)
Skimming over the photos and notes, the lead object appears to a be
"spitzer" type slug to be used in early cartridge guns dating to the
latter decades of the nineteenth century. Given an approximate bore of
3/4-inch, that would put in the 10-12 bore (gauge) range. And since many
of the drawings, etc., are in German, it presumably was a European
development, but there appear to be American versions as well.
Again, thanks for everybody's thoughts!!! And thanks to Anita.
Mark
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Mark C. Branstner, RPA
Historical Archaeologist
Illinois State Archaeological Survey
Prairie Research Institute
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
23 East Stadium Drive
Champaign, IL 61820
Phone: 217.244.0892
Fax: 217.244.7458
Cell: 217.549.6990
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"Mongo only pawn in game of life." Mongo.
On 3/7/13 5:00 PM, "Benjamin Barna" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>Hello Mark,
>
>I have been wrestling with a similar "lead object" from the floor of a
>ranching cabin located on Mauna Kea in Hawai`i. Mine is slightly smaller:
> 0.60 inch diameter and 0.80 height.
>
>The rest of the assemblage dates to early part of 2nd half of 19th
>century, which also corresponds to documentary accounts. We have
>percussion caps and one Henry cartridge in addition to lead sprue--
>presumably from ammunition manufacture. Another cabin on the ranch
>contained cartridges, sprue, and home-made shot. Best guess has been that
>it is like the bullets in the photos linked below. I am waiting to hear
>back from photo posters and other people smarter than I am regarding
>guns/ammo.
>
>http://s697.beta.photobucket.com/user/ellenbrs/media/Teschner%20Collath/zi
>mmerbullets1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18
>http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/CptCurlFiles/Paradox_and_Bore_Rifles/lancas
>ter/slug_bore_paradox_cartridges/1122680.jpg
>http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/CptCurlFiles/Paradox_and_Bore_Rifles/lancas
>ter/slug_bore_paradox_cartridges/1122682.jpg
>(these last two come from this discussion:
>http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=109526&page=0&fpa
>rt=all&vc=1)
>
>Benjamin Barna, M.A., RPA
>Ph.D. Candidate
>Department of Anthropology
>University of Nevada Reno
>
>
>On Mar 7, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Pat Garrow wrote:
>
>> It looks like it might be a carved bullet. Bullets were often carved
>>into both fancifull and functional shapes by troops on both sides. Could
>>this be something like a home made gaming piece?
>>
>> Pat Garrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Branstner, Mark C" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Mar 7, 2013 1:00 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Unknown lead object
>>>
>>> Pat,
>>>
>>> "Context" is a surface find from an agricultural field.
>>>Parenthetically,
>>> about 0.5 mile from Ft. Russell, a War of 1812 site down near East St.
>>> Louis.
>>>
>>> It sort of reminded of some salt-glazed stoneware stoppers that I have
>>> seen elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> ___________________________________
>>>
>>> Mark C. Branstner, RPA
>>> Historical Archaeologist
>>>
>>> Illinois State Archaeological Survey
>>> Prairie Research Institute
>>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>> 209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
>>> 23 East Stadium Drive
>>> Champaign, IL 61820
>>>
>>> Phone: 217.244.0892
>>> Fax: 217.244.7458
>>> Cell: 217.549.6990
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> "Mongo only pawn in game of life." Mongo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/7/13 11:55 AM, "Patrick Martin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks to me more like something to plug a hole in a heavy fabric or
>>>> leather
>>>> item, maybe holding liquid...... push in the pointed end until the
>>>>fabric
>>>> slips into the groove around the object..... but then again??????
>>>> CONTEXT????
>>>> PEMartin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Branstner, Mark C
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find attached a photo of an unknown lead object, found in
>>>>> southern
>>>>> Illinois. About 3/4 inch in diameter x 7/8 inch long. Certainly
>>>>>looks
>>>>> like
>>>>> munitions, and may have some rifling traces around base, but seems
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> unstable in terms of overall shape:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://s896.beta.photobucket.com/user/markbranst/library/UNKNOWN%20LEA
>>>>>D%2
>>>>> 0OBJECT
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ___________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark C. Branstner, RPA
>>>>>
>>>>> Historical Archaeologist
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Illinois State Archaeological Survey
>>>>>
>>>>> Prairie Research Institute
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>>>>
>>>>> 209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
>>>>>
>>>>> 23 East Stadium Drive
>>>>>
>>>>> Champaign, IL 61820
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: 217.244.0892
>>>>>
>>>>> Fax: 217.244.7458
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell: 217.549.6990
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mongo only pawn in game of life." Mongo.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Patrick E. Martin, PhD*
>>>> *Professor of Archaeology and Chair
>>>> President, The International Committee for the Conservation of the
>>>> Industrial Heritage
>>>> *
>>>> *Department of Social Sciences*
>>>> *Michigan Technological University*
>>>> *Houghton, MI USA 49931*
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>>>>
>>>> *
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