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Hi Raleigh,

There is no evidence to support anyone insisting that carbon dioxide and planetary temperature aren't coupled.  We know this from Venus and Mars, and rock solid certainty for every earth- made observation over the last 200 years.  Or the beginning of earth time with somewhat less precision.

The earth's whole climatic and geologic history stands as and example.  The exact fine tuning of time and events are subject to refinements, but the course and coupling is clear.  

Given that the long term evidence is irrefutable and clear.  The rate of change within generational human time is variable. We will have winners and losers from generation to generation. It's a complex event.

Since I enjoy being right, and ahead in the argumentative game of primate order and dominance, I'd very much like it to be sooner than later, so I can feel vindicated by logic, knowledge, and intelligence within my life time--Alpha feels good, none of us want a Pyrrhic victory-- and many others would like to prove us(me) ignorant and self serving, and thusly win; so the debate is joined.

It's always good too feel right and have a brain to enjoy dominance and all it's benefits, and that's the real game in town.

Scientific evidence will not settle this debate, it mostly about all things human with a tangential connections to reality and that's the hard evidence of survival.

C



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On May 24, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Paul Doherty <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Raleigh
> 
> Here is a rebuttal of that article and a link to other rebuttals.
> 
> http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/18/global_warming_denial_debunking_misleading_climate_change_claims_by_david.html?original_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FbBMNvfT1k1
> 
> Paul D
> 
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Raleigh McLemore wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to see anything teachers may get as evidence for climate change deniers. You may hear or see things from parents, or family, or perhaps channeling your past life as a small lump of primordial peat (am I the only one?). I know there are some good sites (skepticalscience.com for example) that talk about denier approaches to climate change, but I'm thinking that I have a little bit of time on my hands and would like make a site that is more "specific."  Perhaps when a teacher is confronted with  "400,000 years Vostok Ice Cores prove global warming is ..."natural" or ..."a myth" or "UK Warming Article" and find a clear, reasoned and concise set of facts that help you when a parent or colleague drops one on your desk. 
>> 
>> As an example.  I just finished reading an interesting article, titled: "The Great Green Con no 1: The hard proof that finally shows global warming forecasts that are costing you billions were WRONG all along."  It was sent to me by a well educated member of my family and it finally explodes the global warming myth.  Find it here: 
>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html
>> 
>> We all know that the Daily Mail has street cred, easily less sensational that the Enquirer and far more scholarly than the World News with articles that have pithy apricot aftertaste. The article has a graph that shows average global temperature kinda "flattening out" over the past few years. So, since we all know that a graph can't lie, I guess that settles it. It was wonderful to hear this as I had my eye on that bright yellow coal-fired Hummer (it is the "super dense model" and has its own powerful gravitational field) at the car lot and plan to tow most of what I own on a trailer with metal skids when I go to places like Whole Foods. 
>> 
>> So, please send me things that have been actually given/shown/explained to you.  If you want you can dredge them up on the internet but I'm looking for real teacher or people examples and the most recent of these if possible. I think the National Center for Science Education would like to talk about forming a little "myth clearing house" and maybe it would be worth the effort. It would be best if you had a internet link taking me to the source, but I would take brief descriptions of an argument you have confronted such as: "When I turn on the air conditioner in my house it becomes quite cold, so how can there be global warming Mr/s Smarty-Pants Teacher??????????"  
>> 
>> Got go stoke the boiler on the Hummer.
>> 
>> With firm handshake,
>> Raleigh 
>> 
>> Reach me at:
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>> (510)759-2749
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