Al-

Probably right. The two have been somewhat mixed in this thread, though. I have been around long enough to see significant changes in our field. The changes have been positive from my perspective.

Pat


-----Original Message-----
>From: Al Tonetti <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Mar 4, 2013 3:16 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>
>This is really silly.  Let Lynne Sebestian reply is she so chooses.  
>
>If you want to discuss the state of archaeology in the context of CRM or
>otherwise, do so.
>
>Al Tonetti 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fred
>McGhee
>Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:45 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>
>Since you want to stay there...
>
>Well, what exactly WAS said about her?  Are those things true?  Instead of
>acting like offended children stomping on the ground, can we act like adults
>and actually EVALUATE what somebody has to say about someone else?  I
>imagine the Obama administration did its own evaluation before appointing
>her.
>
>flm
>
>On Mar 4, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> This is about Lynne and the things that were said about her. You are
>entitled to your opinion on the state of the profession. I disagree with you
>and feel that perhaps you have a biased perspective.
>> 
>> Pat Garrow
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fred McGhee <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Mar 4, 2013 2:16 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>>> 
>>> Dear Pat,
>>> 
>>> Apparently you lack the capacity to refrain from mentioning Lynne
>Sebastian's name when discussing this issue.  No disrespect intended, but I
>presume that you do have the capacity to divorce the mention of somebody's
>name from an argument?
>>> 
>>> Let me state it now for the THIRD time:  if you wish to have a
>conversation about the state of archaeology, historical or otherwise, I
>invite such conversation.  Such a conversation on this forum is long
>overdue.  You don't have to keep droning on about Lynne Sebastian, Tom King,
>or anybody else to have it, though.
>>> 
>>> You claim to have seen "the practice of archaeology improve significantly
>over the years."  You certainly are entitled to that perspective, and in a
>narrow technical sense I somewhat agree with you.  But any claim about the
>quality of archaeology performed in this country, especially in the private
>sector, has to be informed with the experiences of Native Americans and
>African Americans in particular.  When I compare the archaeology conducted
>on (and especially BY) African Americans and Native Americans in 1976 with
>the archaeology conducted in 2013, I see many gains, a few losses, but also
>disconcerting amounts of backsliding.
>>> 
>>> flm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea what Fred McGhee is talking about. I have been active in
>cultural resource management in a private consulting setting since 1976, and
>I have seen the practice of archaeology improve significantly over the
>years. One very positive trend that has grown and matured is an attempt by
>professional archaeologists to communicate with the public and to take the
>concerns and wishes of stakeholders into account. That has strengthened--not
>weakened. 
>>>> 
>>>> It is extremely easy to attack any professional whether you have a basis
>for it or not. Some in our profession and some stakeholders have done that
>as a device to attract attention to themselves. People are always quick to
>believe the worst about anyone. 
>>>> 
>>>> The attack on Lynne is unjustified. Purely and simply, it is
>unjustified. 
>>>> 
>>>> Pat Garrow
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Fred McGhee <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Mar 4, 2013 11:24 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me take the lead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In discussing some of the political economy behind what I and others
>perceive to be the diminishing role of meaningful archaeology over the past
>few years, it may be useful to develop an understanding of how government
>contracting actually works, particularly the relationships between the
>"design build" process and state legislatures.  I am talking about
>consortiums that include global construction companies, investment banks,
>private-equity firms, and engineering firms that play an increasing role in
>the construction of much of the country's infrastructure, and that furnishes
>employment for archaeologists and other environmental professionals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Within the environmental and archaeological consulting fields, it has
>led to mergers and acquisitions (as well as rebranding), trends that appear
>to be around to stay.  Simply put, archaeology these days appears to be more
>about the appearance of clearance documentation and legally sufficient
>professional opinions than about the public interest.  Those of us in the
>private sector have long known about these trends, but for some reason can't
>or won't talk about the obvious implications of these developments or the
>scope and scale of the problem.  It thus falls to people impacted by these
>schemes--often Native Americans and African Americans--to ring the alarm
>about some of these things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2012/1112bondgraham.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> flm
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Pat Garrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would like to add my support to Lynn's nomination as well. Lynn is a
>top professional who has both the knowledge and judgment to make a positive
>contribution to the mission of the ACHP. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "King, Julia" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Mar 2, 2013 11:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: ACHP and Appointment of Dr. Lynne Sebastian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear HISTARCHers,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want to second Ian Burrow's statement of confidence in Lynne 
>>>>>>> Sebastian's appointment to the Advisory Council on Historic 
>>>>>>> Preservation. This is great news for archaeology, for historic
>preservation, and for the ACHP.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Having done my time on the ACHP cross, I know first-hand that it 
>>>>>>> is a body of very diverse interests and expertise. As an "Expert 
>>>>>>> Member," Lynne Sebastian brings the expertise of archaeology to 
>>>>>>> the table and, while I don't know Lynne as well as Ian does, I 
>>>>>>> know her well enough to know that President Obama has made an 
>>>>>>> excellent choice. Lynne will serve us extremely well, as she has 
>>>>>>> done in so many leadership positions, including as president of SAA
>and RPA.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tribal interests and voices have long been a concern for the 
>>>>>>> Council. At least one member selected by the President must be a 
>>>>>>> member of an Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization. The
>immediate past chair, John L.
>>>>>>> Nau, and the current chair, Wayne Donaldson, have, in my 
>>>>>>> experience, made tribal participation hallmarks of their 
>>>>>>> leadership, and the ACHP has been the better for it. Indeed, ACHP 
>>>>>>> has an Office of Native American Affairs that is one of the better
>such offices anywhere in Federal government.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can read more about the composition of the membership at this
>link:
>>>>>>> http://www.achp.gov/members.html.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie King
>
>
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