George:

Thanks for clarifying. You're a big help.

It is a suction scar, not a manufacturing mark by the Owens company, so I'm 
dating the bottle after 1905. Yes, I, too am confused by the threaded 
finish, which you post-date to 1920, but the very slight purple color, which 
I pre-date to 1915. That does indeed have me in a quandary. I can't explain 
it. As you note, the U.S.A date also is later. I am ready to ignore the 
slight purple color and go with all later indicators.  The coloring is VERY 
slight, and may not be solarized at all.

Cathy



Catherine Holder Spude, PhD
7 Avenida Vista Grande #145
Santa Fe, NM 87508
505-466-1476 home
505-913-1326 cell

"Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you are standing outside the
fire," Jenny Yates and Garth Brooks.
-----Original Message----- 
From: George Miller
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HINDS bottle

Cathy,



I have a question about your “Owens mark on the base.”  Are you refereeing
to a maker’s mark from the Owens Bottle Company, or an Owens suction scar
on the base of the bottle?  The Owens box-O mark for the Owens Bottle
Company, according to Toulouse does not begin until 1911 (pp 393 in
Toulouse’s *Bottle Makers and their Marks*).  The Owens Bottle Machine
Company did not begin leasing out their bottle-blowing machine in a big way
until 1905.  Many of the early bottles made on that machine were cork
stopped rather than screw threads or continuous thread finishes.  Your
bottle also has “MADE IN U.S.A.” that tends to be later.  Are you sure the
glass is solarized?



Peace,

George L. Miller






On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Cathy Spude <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thanks, George.
>
> The notation "SCA" by archaeologists here in the West means sun-colored
> amethyst: it was clarified by manganese. Yes, amateurish, I know, but it's
> short-hand out of the several Western states' historic sites manuals, I'm
> afraid.  To my reasoning, my particular bottle pre-dates 1915. The Owens
> mark on the bottle post-dates it to 1904. I was hoping some information
> from the listserve would help me narrow it down.
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
>
> Catherine Holder Spude, PhD
> 7 Avenida Vista Grande #145
> Santa Fe, NM 87508
> 505-466-1476 home
> 505-913-1326 cell
>
> "Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you are standing outside the
> fire," Jenny Yates and Garth Brooks.
> -----Original Message----- From: George Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 5:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: HINDS bottle
>
>
> Cathy,
>
> I have a Whitall Tatum Co. drawing of the bottle.  The front panel reads:
> HINES / HONEY / AND / ALMOND / CREAM / A.S. HINDS CO. / BLOOMFIELD / N.J.
> U.S.A.  The base reads A.S.HINDS CO. along with the triangle WT mark.  It
> has a continuous thread finish.  A note on the drawing reads "Dimensions
> show proposed changes - other dimensions same as W.T. dwg. no. G3831-E"
> The base of the drawing reads LEHN & FINK, IND, NEW YORK / 4 1/2 OZ. FANCY
> OBLONG/ PROPOSED CHANGES.  Date Jan. 23 - 1928.  WHITALL TATUM CO. /
> MILLVILLE, N.J. DRAWING No. SK. 208
>
> Question, what color are your referring to as "SCA"?  Not everyone will be
> familiar with your coding.
>
> Peace,
> George L. Miller
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Cathy Spude <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about a bottle marked:
>>
>> HINDS
>> HONEY
>> AND
>> ALMOND
>> CREAM
>> A.S. HINDS CO.
>> BLOOMFIELD N.J. U.S.A.
>>
>>
>> It’s an apothecary, with a screw finish, a light SCA glass type, and 
>> Owens
>> mark on the base. The base repeats the mark:
>>
>> A. S. HINDS CO.
>> 10 V MADE IN U.S.A.
>>
>> Catherine Holder Spude, PhD
>> 7 Avenida Vista Grande #145
>> Santa Fe, NM 87508
>> 505-466-1476 home
>> 505-913-1326 cell
>>
>> "Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you are standing outside the
>> fire," Jenny Yates and Garth Brooks.
>>
>>