>>Great study, Waldemar. They treated lab animals with poison ivy extract ...

Peter, I am not sure if you were cynical or not.  The point was, however, that the study involved a botanical extract that showed a significant effect.  If I suggested you take willow bark and leaves for headeaches and pain relief, you might grimace and call up the snake oil reference.  But that's exactly what Hippocrates recommended in the ancient times.  [Human kind did not wait for science as we know it today to find botanical healing agents.]  In the 1800's science came to discover salicin in willows.  Now you know it as aspirin.  It does relieve pain.

Someone may make fun at me for using OA for varroa control by saying ''you are using spinach and rhubarb extracts on bees?"   I don't care because I know it works.

The frequent limitation in mainstream science is the reductionist approach - ''here are my inputs and here are my outputs.''  This is fine as it helps you cleanly identify a lot of direct cause and effect mechanisms.  But it should not stop there.  A more integrative approach reveals a lot more.  A 2005 peer-reviewed study on chiropractic revealed much improved cellular function in the body.  Who would have suspected?  In the 70's chiropractic was equated with quackery.  Now we know it was ignorance.  There is a lot of bias in science.  I don't know why.

Waldemar

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