Max,
Not that I know much of war, but many of the bunkers I had in mind are on
National Park Service or U.S. Fish & Wildlife property. A heck of a lot of
federal military property surplused during the Bush-Clinton-Bush Administrations.
I think the rich targets are the cities, not the bunker locations. But what
is the difference between bunkers on a military base and an urban city a mile
away when you are talking nukes?
By the way, Tom King mentioned the Japanese have developed glass or ceramic
CDs that are said to be archivally sound. Most CDs we have are made with
acidic cardboard cores that will disintegrate in time.
Ron May
Legacy 106, Inc.
In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:46:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
To the question of digital artifacts....
Since the inception of the personal computer, there has been a large number
of different file types. But there are files that have become common. PDFs
are widely utilized, and one can reliably assume that they will remain so
into the future.
Though many people don't manage their files well, this does not mean that
electronic archives cannot be managed well. There is a common refrain over
people worrying about electronic documents. But physical documents pose
their own problems. It is almost easier to mitigate the problems with
electronic documents than those with physical documents.
By maintaining a limited number of file types, batch update programs can
rapidly change over thousands upon thousands of files.
On another note, I am not sure if the bunkers you speak of are on current
military reservations or now-surplused abandoned military land, but it is
worth noting that we do not live in a world without war. It is inevitable
that we will again face a great power in open conflict, making anything on a
military base a justifiable target. Do we really want to commit our
important archival documents to places that could well end up in the
cross-hairs of a bombsight? Not that I don't think we should take advantage
of these bunkers, but the above might be worth considering.
-Max Dean
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ron May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> But will digital images survive a century into the future? We will still
> need to preserve the original materials. What bugs me about the Cologne
> Archives
> is this is a new building.
>
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2009 6:07:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I think it's worthwhile to return to the original message, for moment,
> that
> this incident "makes the case for digitization". While it is important
> that
> we maintain paper records, and ensure their proper curation, digitization
> has important positive consequences. First of all, a great many
digitized
> records make it to the web, where many of them are downloaded, and in
> essence become backed up not on one server farm, but on hundreds,
> sometimes
> even thousands, of separate computers. In addition, records which are
> otherwise out of reach to many researchers (too far to travel, not enough
> money....don't forget us students) can become accessible through web
> portals
> or records in other electronic distribution formats. And finally, there is
> searchability. In my job, I make constant use of scanned documents that
> utilized optical-character-recognition (OCR), allowing me to search a
> great
> many documents...that do not have indexes....for a wide range of search
> terms (these documents are often 100 pages long or more). While I could do
> this without a digitized copy, time and money will not always allow it.
>
> A good example is mining location notices, affidavits of annual labor,
> etc.
> that I have often looked through for my research. I must say that looking
> through microfiched indexes and trying to make out poorly microfiched
> historic documents is nowhere as nice as searching through such records
> for
> 1979 on, which are digitized and electronically indexed. Not to mention my
> trepidation when the microfiche's condition does not look so great, and I
> worry about damaging it in long searches through it - since there are so
> few
> copies.
>
> -Max Dean
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Ron May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > For the past 20-years, I have argued that we should be taking advantage
> of
> > surplus military underground bunkers for collection and records
> archives.
> > These
> > can be sealed with waterproof materials, machinery can be installed to
> > balance the humidity and temperature, and security can be insured with
> > steel doors
> > and cypher locks. Bunkers of all shapes and sizes were created between
> the
> > Civil War and Cold War that are now surplus or vacant. I am sure there
> are
> > similar bunkers available throughout Europe, as well. Had Cologne taken
> > advantage of one of these bunkers, a collapsed building would only
seal
> > access and
> > not hurt anything.
> >
> > With a small grant and a lot of self help, the U.S. Navy converted a
> 1942
> > hospital morgue (with dirt floors) to a small archives for
> archaeological
> > collections, field notes, photos, etc. in the Fort Rosecrans Historic
> > District.
> > The morgue measured 40-feet by 10-feet and is 8-feet wide and is
> accessed
> > by two
> > tunnel entrances. The walls were saturated with 2-ply epoxy that
> > off-gassed
> > before installing the collections. The walls are steel reinforced
> concrete
> > and were formed over corrugated steel pipes (pulled out to create a
> strong
> > arch
> > (in this case, the Army later removed the steel). This facility has
> > earthquake shelving, two HVAC machines, and is monitored each week
> > (security goes by
> > irregulary four times an hour). And the materials are only 100-feet from
> > the
> > research facility. Truth be known, there are probably standard plans for
> > constructing these bunkers that could still be used to build new ones.
> >
> > Ron May
> > Legacy 106, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/5/2009 3:47:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> > Those of us involved in CRM in the States are often critical of the way
> > archaeology is handled in major urban projects, but we seem to have a
> > better
> > regulatory system in place to avoid this kind of disaster. It is to be
> > hoped
> > that (not "hopefully") this will alert Germany and other EU members to
> > their
> > lack of meaningful regulations to protect their cultural heritage
> (which
> > of
> > course is not only theirs but ours as well).
> >
> >
> >
> > Morgan Rieder
> >
> > Historical Architect, Tucson
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:25:05 +0100
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Cologne Archives
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > They're apparently also asking for help retrieving stuff, so I was
> > vaguely
> > > thinking of helping out this weekend; there are videos here:
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7922342.stm
> > > & here:
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090304.wvcollapse0304/V
> > > ideoStory/VideoLineup/News
> > > this is part of the new subway project, which has had a lot of
> trouble:
> > cost
> > > overruns were recently blamed on delays caused by archaeologists
> > (doesn't
> > > take a brain surgeon to figure out that there is a lot of archaeology
> in
> > the
> > > middle of Cologne, & that they should have planned for it better at
> the
> > > beginning; hiring 4 or 5 German firms to "manage" the excavations by
> > hiring
> > > student workers at 400 euros/month didn't help much, either
[students
> > are
> > > allowed to work enough hours to earn 400 euros without losing their
> > student
> > > status, which would mean having to pay for unemployment insurance &
> > income
> > > tax, among other things; unfortunately most of the people on my
> wife's
> > crew
> > > were not even studying archaeology...]; there should be a major
> scandal
> > > because local firms even undercut a bid by a Polish university... &
> > there
> > > have been various rumours of serious health problems among some of
> the
> > > excavators [mercury poisoning, etc.], etc., etc.), so now I'm
> wondering
> > how
> > > they'll manage to blame the collapse on... archaeologists (had to cut
> > back
> > > on health & safety precautions because of all those cost overruns
> > because
> > of
> > > the cut-budget archaeology...)...
> > > they're still not sure whether anyone has died: 2 are apparently
> > missing,
> > > but with the weather, chances don't look good...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > The archive office in Kon (Cologne) has collapsed killing at least
> two
> > > persons and much of German's greatest urban archive (undamaged
during
> > > WW2) may have been lost- makes the case for digitisation. I was going
> to
> > > vist the city this weekend but had to cancel holiday due to sick
cat.
> > > Masive new stoneware catalogue of Cologne and Frechen stoneware has
> also
> > > been published by the city museum service while I remmber- can send
> > > details if anyone wants.
> >
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