Allen,
For the Acarine 1959 reported in the states given and nosema from Austrailia simply go to archives in Wash D.C. for Beltsville quarterly reports for that year of survey of whole USA they were doing.....nothing hard and then read. Or ask Beltsville or one of labs with copies to pull up quarterly files to read from our private libraries paid for by tax dollars at the various labs. Then go back further if you want all the way to 1917 or earlier and smile............!!!
 
Dee

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: allen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [BEE-L] A Sustainable Commercial Model?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:03 AM

Going back to the message at http://tinyurl.com/5o7lrj ,

There are still many unanswered questions, and a clarification.

Please excuse the repetition, but no response has been received for a number of
interesting and novel claims.
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>> Old eqjuip from the 7 CCD yards was reused, with nothing done to it.
> 
> I have heard conflicting reports. Was it really CCD?  If so, then your
comments, above, seem to conflict with one of the defining criteria for
identifying bona fide CCD.

I have not seen a reply to this.

There was, I believe, however, a question asked about how long CCD equipment is
contaminated.

>> Saw nosema NO PROBLEM as identified by Dr Bromenshenk,
> 
> Dr. Fischer reported a different version of the story here recently and
that a treatment was used if I understand him correctly.  Can you address that?

I re-read all my material and could not find any reference to treatment, and
you have confirmed that you did not treat, so I withdraw that and apologise,
again, as I did some time back by email.  This was answered.

>> looking at samples from all around the USA from bee colonies kept in
the USA, that for some reason showed origin of bees also from Australia!
<snip>
>> so question in my mind:  What they doing in USA?
> 
> Maybe some samples were sent over from Oz, and not taken from US bees?

Still waiting for an answer.

>> ... other states in USA then showing POSITIVE samples for Nosema that
also included the other maladies from same samples and showing positive for AFB,
EFB, para, Sac, Sept, Acarine, insective poisoning were...
> 
> Positive for acarine in 1959?   Citations please.

Still waiting

>> ... except I did not use treatments as don't beleive in then, nor
artifricial feeds but instead used live and let die and breed from the strong
and let the weak go.and also for the record each yard has made a barrel of honey
and some more!! immediate year following.

> You mention no stats on how many were originally standing and when, how
many died and when, How many splits were made and when, and when the recovery
was complete and count was made, what the numbers were.  I know commercial
beekeepers keep detailed notes, so I'm trusting you can give us numbers. For
the record.

No reply yet.

> A barrel of honey from 60 hives is not much, but maybe the yard is only
ten hives?  Seems to me that your yards are much larger than that, though.

How big was the yard, before and after?

> Thanks for taking the time to write this out clearly.  I look forward to
details that will help me understand this in real terms.

Still waiting.

> I was thinking of the earlier period.  However, let me add that my
understanding is that recovering numbers in the south is not hard if no honey is
to be produced.  In the north, successfully splitting up to 16 from one has been
well-documented and in a short season area.  So please explain why recovering
numbers as reported  is so remarkable?  I must be missing something.

Still wondering.

>> Now, let me say, I can dig deeper into my files should it be wanted
with more for discussion.

I'm hoping you are dong that, since quite a few people wonder at the
generality of statements made, and the lack of numbers.

Thank you in advance

allen
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/
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