And the Carrizo  Plain in San Luis Obispo County.
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2006 7:07:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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Yes  Virginia, uh, I mean Bob...such reeds are known to have grown...and
still  are growing (I presume) in S.  CA.
http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-taxon=Phragmites
%20australis&ttime=1160531280

There's  a Carrizo Gorge, Carrizob Badlands, Carrizo Creek (& Valley),
etc. in  San Diego/Imperial counties.

(apparently Carrizozo, NM got its name for  the abundance of such reeds
in that area) 

>-----Original  Message-----
>From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  
>Behalf Of Bob Skiles
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:17  PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: carrizo = phragmites in  SoCal?
>
>... the term "carrizo" in the quotation below (and as  used by 
>the Spanish chroniclers in western Texas) referred to the  
>phragmites australis reed ... 
>
>i've seen the word  "carrizo" used by early Spanish chroniclers 
>referring to source  material for the cane arrows made by the 
>Indians in the area of the  southern California missions, too, 
>which clearly (by contextual  descriptions of the arrows) 
>refers to some type of cane or reed, but  I'm not sure it 
>referred to phragmites ... did phragmites australis  (or 
>communis) grow along streams in southern  California?
>
>Bob Skiles
>
>
>> In James L.  Haley's <italic>Apaches: A History and Culture Portrait 
>>  (</italic>University of Oklahoma Press, 1997), the author says the  
>> Apache of New Mexico and west Texas made two kinds of  
>arrows, hardwood or cane.
>> Hardwoods were "preferably  mountain mahogany, Apache plume, or 
>> mulberry, and some  Chiricahuas became known for arrows of 
>desert broom 
>>  (<italic>Baccharis sarothroides</italic>)." (p. 109)  Cane  
>arrows were 
>> made from carrizo, and included a hardwood  foreshaft four to six 
>> inches  long.
>>
>
>
>~~~
>"Smithers! Get that  bedlamite to an alienist." ~ C. Monty Burns
>