D. Stephen Heersink ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>Rarely does one conductor capture one composer as well as Karajan
>>>does Bruckner.
And I agree completely. You seems to have discovered the same thing as I
have...
Deryk Barker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>Furtwaengler, Horenstein, Schuricht, Jochum (both Georg and Eugen),
>>Asahina, Eichhorn, Abendroth, Kabasta, Haitink.
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>>All of these say more to me about Bruckner than Karajan.
I suspect you are a Karajan-basher, and if so I want to say to you that
I think it will be difficult for you to deny that Karajan is one of the
greatest interpretors of this century, and I think it is a pity that some
tend to use him as scapegoat all the time for what just seems to be an idee
fixe - at least to me. (But still I don't disagree Norringtons Beethoven
IS very good). But I would be very interested to know; what do all these
conductors tell you about Bruckner that Karajan do not? Please elaborate!
"J.A. Brouwer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>This evening I compared three recordings of Bruckner Eight: Karajan (BPO),
>Haitink (Concertgebouw) and Celibidache. I didn't like the Karajan at all:
>mainly, he works on the sound instead of building the structures of this
>great symphony. I did not know his recordings of the seventh. For this
>work also Haitink and Celibidache are my favourites.
I don't really agree for Bruckner. You say Karajan works with sound
rather than structure...I think that is a little unfair, as I think
of a Bruckner symphony like the second as "one block" of sound, and the
conductor should most appropriatedly make one great solid building out of
the music. This is difficult to describe without the right words, but for
something different I could say the same strategy wouldn't work in Mahler,
who is a lot of bricks and different themestructures. I would dread for
hearing a Karajan Mahler four, but in his four on the other hand Bruckner
worked very much with the "well sounding"...What I have tried to describe
is also why I find Karajans Bruckner superior to many others, and the
Karajan Bruckner 7th is a very fine recording. Although I can enjoy also
many others Bruckner, like van Benium, Jochum...or Scholz (And YES! You
didn't see wrong, I say it again: Alfred Scholz!). If you haven't
discovered what I say about Karajans Bruckner: enjoy your Haitink,
Alabasta or whatever, we can talk about rules another time! ...and
Celibidache! Of course he has MUCH more playtime, but...*yawns*...
James Zehm
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